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 Post subject: Europe vs China
PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 3:08 pm 
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Since my SRO just crashed, i decided to compare Europe to China, and the results impressed me quite a lot...

Power

Physical power:
Advantage: China by a tiny difference.
The biggest advantage of the Chinese characters is their speed, for example a Glavie does less damage then a 2h Sword but its speed is higher of about 30%, which is a big advantage when it comes to fighting a fast attacking monster, its even an advantage when fighting slow but powerfull monsters since you'll have a chance to finish them off before they do too much damage on you. the Daggers and Sword are pretty weak too, they get easily owned by a chinese Blade. and the Crossbow is slower then the Bow. the fastest weapons are Dual Axes and Daggers for Europe but even then they do not have the all might Sword Chains

Magical:
Advantage: China
Maybe the Wizards and Warlocks have some pretty impressive attacks, but don't deny that they do a lot less damage, to have good attacks you need to wait until level 20 Wizard while a simple Wolf Bite Spear attack does as much damage as these attacks.

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Robe
Advantage: China
Playing as a wizard i discovered that European robes are but a weak replica of the Taoist Robe. Not only do they look like normal clothes(green eyes, clown pants and a vest that looks like have been made of furs for levels 16+) but their physical power is so low it would do the same thing to fight with no armour at all, you die all the time, especially if you're a Nuker and monsters of your own level can kill you in 1-2 hits.

Armour
Advantage: China
The European armour is really good against physical attacks but magical attacks completely own it. European armours all have big flaws while Chinese is well balanced.

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Weapons
Advantage: Tie
Both Chinese and European weapons have their weaknesses and strenghts, the European weapons are less durable but there is a wider range of weapons.

Potions
Advantage: China
Don't deny it, the wait between potions makes European characters easy meat for monsters who can hit really high or who team on the player.

Quests
Advantage: China
The bad thing about European quests is that they are all linked together, you fail to do 1 quest, you'll be stuck levelling up for about 2-3 more days before a new quest that is not linked to the other ones pops up.

Moving Speed
Advantage: China
While any Chinese player can have acess to Grass Walk and others, in Europe only Bards and Warlocks(at lvl 80) can have acess to faster moving. And if you're not either of these builds...good luck running away from monsters.

Jobs
Advantage: China
The Trader runs are a real horror for European characters, not because of the number of Thiefs, but because of what they have to go through, just to get to Samarkand you need to cross the habitat of level 33-34 Ongs, meaning that for low level traders its impossible to try out doing their job. Same thing for low level Thiefs and Hunters who would get killed by Ongs when they try to do their job.

Weapon Durability:
Advantage: China
The weapon durability of european weapons is ridiculous, after 3 hours of training my Staff's durability was already drained, 20/45, while with a chinese wep i could grind for a whole day before having to repair it.



As you can see, China is by far better then Europe, and i hope this topic helped you decide if its better to stay on China or to go on Europe.

P.S. If i missed anything, tell me and i`ll try to cover it.

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with wat i read (the first 2 paragraphs) i dont agree with u :x

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with wat i read (the first 2 paragraphs) i dont agree with u :x


1) why you don't agree with me? care to explain?
2) too lazy to read the whole thing?

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You missed partying.

China vs Europe
1v1 = China Advantage
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Vorobev wrote:
Since my SRO just crashed, i decided to compare Europe to China, and the results impressed me quite a lot...

Power

Physical power:
Advantage: China by a tiny difference.
The biggest advantage of the Chinese characters is their speed, for example a Glavie does less damage then a 2h Sword but its speed is higher of about 30%, which is a big advantage when it comes to fighting a fast attacking monster, its even an advantage when fighting slow but powerfull monsters since you'll have a chance to finish them off before they do too much damage on you. the Daggers and Sword are pretty weak too, they get easily owned by a chinese Blade. and the Crossbow is not only slower then the Bow but its special attacks suck.

Magical:
Advantage: China
Maybe the Wizards and Warlocks have some pretty impressive attacks, but don't deny that they do a lot less damage, to have good attacks you need to wait until level 20 Wizard while a simple Wolf Bite Spear attack does as much damage as these attacks. Same thing for the other European weapons specs.

Well you forget china has good gears its been passed around and stats added to it. Wait till euro starts to pimp thier gear at 7 degree plus before comparing damage since adding the blue stats does alot to a character, those in full 8 degree realize this. And yes I have seen high lvl pvp with euro on ksro, but isro are fantiacs about blue pimpage, dunno about ksro.


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Robe
Advantage: China
Playing as a wizard i discovered that European robes are but a weak replica of the Taoist Robe. Not only do they look like normal clothes(green eyes, clown pants and a vest that looks like have been made of furs for levels 16+) but their physical power is so low it would do the same thing to fight with no armour at all, you die all the time, especially if you're a Nuker and monsters of your own level can kill you in 1-2 hits.

Armour
Advantage: Tie
I have not really tried the armours of Europe but seeing other players fight i can tell that European armour is better physically then Chinese but its magical defence is really low.

Ok you left out light armor/protector. :D Euro doesn't play exactly as china does that is why its a different race. I am sure they made each class and assigned a certain protection according to that.


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Weapons
Advantage: Tie
Both Chinese and European weapons have their weaknesses and strenghts, the European weapons are less durable but there is a wider range of weapons.

there is a blue stat that will fix durablity, so after some time that wont be a consideration. and their weapons look nicer imo.
Potions
Advantage: China
Don't deny it, the wait between potions makes European characters easy meat for monsters who can hit really high or who team on the player.

Vigors have been a part of the game forever, use them. And that is what a cleric is for.

Quests
Advantage: China
The bad thing about European quests is that they are all linked together, you fail to do 1 quest, you'll be stuck levelling up for about 2-3 more days before a new quest that is not linked to the other ones pops up.

there are some linking in china as well, like that dam liquor quests GAH, where all the quest items fill your inventory ><

Conveniences
Advantage: Europe
The conveniences(shops, storage...) are pretty much the same, Europe wins only because of the easy teleport, the big statue of a god right in the middle of Constantinople impossible to miss.

Uhh doesn't hotan have a huge tele in the middle of town as well? I dont think you teleport any faster in euro, could be wrong. buying pots is well buying pots.

Jobs
Advantage: China
The Trader runs are a real horror for European characters, not because of the number of Thiefs, but because of what they have to go through, just to get to Samarkand you need to cross the habitat of level 33-34 Ongs, meaning that for low level traders its impossible to try out doing their job. Same thing for low level Thiefs and Hunters who would get killed by Ongs when they try to do their job.

Euro characters dont have good gear yet, and they arent very high lvl either. This will change over time.

Weapon Durability:
Advantage: China
The weapon durability of european weapons is ridiculous, after 3 hours of training my Staff's durability was already drained, 20/45, while with a chinese wep i could grind for a whole day before having to repair it.

There is a stone that will fix that. :P


As you can see, China is by far better then Europe, and i hope this topic helped you decide if its better to stay on China or to go on Europe.

P.S. If i missed anything, tell me and i`ll try to cover it.

Vorobev


As for china being better then euro it is personal prefrence. Euro didn't just bring euro it changed china as well. Choosing between the two should be personal preference. Yes there are pros and cons to both euro and china.

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Vorobev wrote:
Vandall wrote:
with wat i read (the first 2 paragraphs) i dont agree with u :x


1) why you don't agree with me? care to explain?
2) too lazy to read the whole thing?

Posts like this are spam.
1. rouges arent weak AT ALL (ask any experienced Ksro or Csro player) and 1 handed sword has high potential at higher lvls. the crossbow imo is better than the chinese bow because: at a lvl it gets KB skill that also can hit a mob that was knocked down AND a bit later on it gets a skill that it can shoot a relay of bolts at a max. of 32m :shock:
2. yes i am lazy (but im also at work and shouldnt be doing this.... :wink: )

i dont consider my previous post spam, i voiced my opinoun as i should be allowed to since this is a open forum :)

ps silverhawk is right imo ^^

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i didnt read anything past 4th paragraph cuz its prob wrong. a lvl 24 wizard does more damage then a lvl 30 chinese nuker.


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i didnt read anything past 4th paragraph cuz its prob wrong. a lvl 24 wizard does more damage then a lvl 30 chinese nuker.


If you didn't read his post and you didn't read the posts after it. Then why are you posting something like this? You added nothing to the disscussion, and admitted you didn't read it. :(

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You missed partying.

China vs Europe
1v1 = China Advantage
4v4 = Europe Advantage



Not alll the time. yesterday i was on my lvl 27 rouge, took on 4 level 22,23,25,26 Chinese pladers in PvP. Took them all down, and still had 16 health to bare with.

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I find china very boring... That why i quit sro until euro... And now euro is here....


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Hmm....a bit early to put the two races head to head, because we have no idea what 8D and L60+ holds for Euro race stats.

Yes, the pot system in China rocks, but the party system in Euro counters that.

SP Farming category definitely goes to Euro.

Nukers 'top damage' crown goes to Euro.

Rogues.... 'nuff said. It's definitely more entertaining and fun to play Euro, if you like partying up and interacting with others.

I'm sure the skills are going to be adequate for them as well...and it's going to be scary one day to see the damage a L80 wizard can unleash on uniques and high lvl mobs. :shock:

I'd say wait for 3 mths until we have a good number of Euro that are higher levels and into 8D stuff (it probably won't be that long, thanks to the uber powerleveling Euro parties) so you can make a better comparison.

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the question here about europe char....
why ksro player not really played europe char..
why ksro player loved and rebuild the pure str bow and pure str glaive..

idk all about that...

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well up to level 30 China dominates entirely, and something else: the speed of Chinese players is far better.

Not only do Europeans have to wait until level 80 to move faster(Body Teleport, Europe has no Grass Walk) but their attack speed is very low.


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If you're leaning towards one on one such as PVP, then Chinese characters pretty much own it all. But when you're talking about jobs wars, guild wars, or fortress wars, the team work that European characters are centered into make them the better candidate.

Bottom line: No race is superior or inferior over another. :D


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Uhm.. Okay. So you said when I killed a level 32+ pure str bow yesterday with dagger desperate on, it was a total fluke? I was level 23 at that time btw, and I hit 200+ on him every hit. Lol, It was crazy, I killed him in 5 seconds or less. My friend in my party took his hit though. Which did roughly 1.3k or so and he was a 2h sword tanker. Also, His pots couldn't keep up with my attacks. Which is really hard to believe. I think he set his pots on 20% or less . Or he's using very nooby pots like herbs.
I'm a Dagger rogue, Btw.

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Vorobev wrote:
well up to level 30 China dominates entirely, and something else: the speed of Chinese players is far better.

Not only do Europeans have to wait until level 80 to move faster(Body Teleport, Europe has no Grass Walk) but their attack speed is very low.


i dont mean to sound like i am flaming .... but have you actually played a high lvl euro ??

You do know there is something called Moving March, which is a lvl 10 bard skill that you can have as a sub mastery. And considering that is just like grass walk, I guess euros dont have to wait till lvl 80.

Also, I can tell you have no clue what you are talking about because you would know that Dual Axes are very fast. Possibly one of the fastest attacking builds.

And since I have won most of my pvp 1 vs 1 in ksro and in csro ... and even so far in isro, I think your theory about China dominating is wrong.

All builds have their pros and their cons. No race is entirely stronger then the other. If you dont know how to use a euro, then go use a glaiver so you can press 2 buttons.

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well up to level 30 China dominates entirely, and something else: the speed of Chinese players is far better.

Not only do Europeans have to wait until level 80 to move faster(Body Teleport, Europe has no Grass Walk) but their attack speed is very low.


i dont mean to sound like i am flaming .... but have you actually played a high lvl euro ??

You do know there is something called Moving March, which is a lvl 10 bard skill that you can have as a sub mastery. And considering that is just like grass walk, I guess euros dont have to wait till lvl 80.

Also, I can tell you have no clue what you are talking about because you would know that Dual Axes are very fast. Possibly one of the fastest attacking builds.

And since I have won most of my pvp 1 vs 1 in ksro and in csro ... and even so far in isro, I think your theory about China dominating is wrong.

All builds have their pros and their cons. No race is entirely stronger then the other. If you dont know how to use a euro, then go use a glaiver so you can press 2 buttons.

:D :D :D


I am a level 23 wizard/warlock and i know what i'm talking about.
Maybe i never used the axes, but still as far as i know there is no European attack that can handle the all-mighty Sword Chain.


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Vorobev wrote:

I am a level 23 wizard/warlock and i know what i'm talking about.
Maybe i never used the axes, but still as far as i know there is no European attack that can handle the all-mighty Sword Chain.


well, I have a lvl 60 dual axe in csro and lvl 84 dual axe in ksro

and lvl 31 dual axe in isro

and every build is easy to pvp against except for a few builds. But i will admit .... at low lvls ... ice bladers are annoying to play and are the hardest .... but at higher lvls .. it does not matter b/c dual axes have amazing status reduce... and if you wanta screen shot of bladers dieing ... i can post one .. cuz i fought one all morning


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wow.... some one apparently does not know how to give constructive opinions.....


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lol,i stayed on china,just got my pure str blader lvl 31,i hate being noob and i think my build is good,and all this new euro stuff,skills and quests are really annoying cuz im used with china ones

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For the guy that started this post, you basically telling us what we already know, so who gives a crap?

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lol,i stayed on china,just got my pure str blader lvl 31,i hate being noob and i think my build is good,and all this new euro stuff,skills and quests are really annoying cuz im used with china ones


every build has it's pros and cons ...... so dont worry ..... if some one says you will suck .. dont listen cuz u might end up being good ....

Both races are equally good.... and with the 15 sec pot delay .... euros will be much more competative......as a dual axe ....only people I have problems with are warlocks or maybe a rogue... so ... goes to show that every build has another build that can beat them.... unless of course you have all sosun + 5 .... :D :D :D


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lol,i stayed on china,just got my pure str blader lvl 31,i hate being noob and i think my build is good,and all this new euro stuff,skills and quests are really annoying cuz im used with china ones


every build has it's pros and cons ...... so dont worry ..... if some one says you will suck .. dont listen cuz u might end up being good ....

Both races are equally good.... and with the 15 sec pot delay .... euros will be much more competative......as a dual axe ....only people I have problems with are warlocks or maybe a rogue... so ... goes to show that every build has another build that can beat them.... unless of course you have all sosun + 5 .... :D :D :D


Sosun +5 is what i'm going for in China. Europe is definitely weaker for a player like me, maybe its because chinese builds suit me better, i dunno, but one thing for sure is that when i will be close to level 80 most europeans will still be stuck around lvl 60.


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lolz after 2 days the wise kid tells whats the situation -.-

euro chars got way biger physical and mag damage than chinese do, i 1 hit any mob on my lvl as a rogue and one hit mobs +5 lv as a wizard

anyway the other options are too dumb ridiculos to discuss so i am only telling this is BS and i don't agree at all

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Vorobev wrote:
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lol,i stayed on china,just got my pure str blader lvl 31,i hate being noob and i think my build is good,and all this new euro stuff,skills and quests are really annoying cuz im used with china ones


every build has it's pros and cons ...... so dont worry ..... if some one says you will suck .. dont listen cuz u might end up being good ....

Both races are equally good.... and with the 15 sec pot delay .... euros will be much more competative......as a dual axe ....only people I have problems with are warlocks or maybe a rogue... so ... goes to show that every build has another build that can beat them.... unless of course you have all sosun + 5 .... :D :D :D


Sosun +5 is what i'm going for in China. Europe is definitely weaker for a player like me, maybe its because chinese builds suit me better, i dunno, but one thing for sure is that when i will be close to level 80 most europeans will still be stuck around lvl 60.


LOL.. omg you MUST be kidding me. Euro levels 2x faster or more than a chinese. A level 42 euro char can get 8% in 10 minutes with GT. While Chinese only gets around 4%-6% at the most, even if it is a nuker. You won't believe how incredibly fast they level. Also, Euro chars aren't weak at all, it just matters what build your taking. If you want to a LOT of damage, then take a wizzard or rogue. But thats just IMO.

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lol,i stayed on china,just got my pure str blader lvl 31,i hate being noob and i think my build is good,and all this new euro stuff,skills and quests are really annoying cuz im used with china ones


every build has it's pros and cons ...... so dont worry ..... if some one says you will suck .. dont listen cuz u might end up being good ....

Both races are equally good.... and with the 15 sec pot delay .... euros will be much more competative......as a dual axe ....only people I have problems with are warlocks or maybe a rogue... so ... goes to show that every build has another build that can beat them.... unless of course you have all sosun + 5 .... :D :D :D


Sosun +5 is what i'm going for in China. Europe is definitely weaker for a player like me, maybe its because chinese builds suit me better, i dunno, but one thing for sure is that when i will be close to level 80 most europeans will still be stuck around lvl 60.


LOL.. omg you MUST be kidding me. Euro levels 2x faster or more than a chinese. A level 42 euro char can get 8% in 10 minutes with GT. While Chinese only gets around 4%-6% at the most, even if it is a nuker. You won't believe how incredibly fast they level. Also, Euro chars aren't weak at all, it just matters what build your taking. If you want to a LOT of damage, then take a wizzard or rogue. But thats just IMO.


i'm level 69 at the moment and i gain about 20% per day so by September i'll have it, Europeans will be at lvl 65 max at that time unless they start botting.


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Europe level much faster cause of massive kills when you get in a party you go in like "must...kill...mobs" mood lots and lots of party mobs spawns and champions and giants die easily and generals die with speed of 2 per second..it feels like as if there is a war going on...and even if i dont have a party i can pretty much 1 hit kill the mobs at my level with most of the builds i believe..

To me....thats the only advantage i see XD...so go Europe!!
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Well... you are such a "powerplayer" -.-
Who cares about the stats and the skills when I can be a Rogue Thief that have 2 daggers, stealth ability, and cool looking thief suit :D :)


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lol,i stayed on china,just got my pure str blader lvl 31,i hate being noob and i think my build is good,and all this new euro stuff,skills and quests are really annoying cuz im used with china ones


every build has it's pros and cons ...... so dont worry ..... if some one says you will suck .. dont listen cuz u might end up being good ....

Both races are equally good.... and with the 15 sec pot delay .... euros will be much more competative......as a dual axe ....only people I have problems with are warlocks or maybe a rogue... so ... goes to show that every build has another build that can beat them.... unless of course you have all sosun + 5 .... :D :D :D


Sosun +5 is what i'm going for in China. Europe is definitely weaker for a player like me, maybe its because chinese builds suit me better, i dunno, but one thing for sure is that when i will be close to level 80 most europeans will still be stuck around lvl 60.


LOL.. omg you MUST be kidding me. Euro levels 2x faster or more than a chinese. A level 42 euro char can get 8% in 10 minutes with GT. While Chinese only gets around 4%-6% at the most, even if it is a nuker. You won't believe how incredibly fast they level. Also, Euro chars aren't weak at all, it just matters what build your taking. If you want to a LOT of damage, then take a wizzard or rogue. But thats just IMO.


lol about the leveling ... thats why we got the new party system ... i got a euro to lvl 40 in max 4 days ... (can do it with chinees to) so thats not the point.

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