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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 6:41 am 
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You can't blame ALL rogues for being bad just because its an attractive class thats hard to play....In PvP against my lvl i pwn everything the only build i have trouble with is warlock and 2H sword and 2H sword is a problem only IF they survive my first attack.

In parties you gotta know when to use dagger desperate and when not to use dagger desperate. If the TANKERS were doing there job which is aggroing ALL the mobs towards them then there would be NO problems. But i rarely see a tanker tanking instead his goal is to somehow deal damage. Anyway no brain rogue move is don't use dagger desperate in a party thats under tanked and underhealed. I only use it when i know the healers are ok with it so i ask them. And when i do use it I can kill ALOT faster than anything in my party except Wizards and no i don't run out and try and tank mobs i let the warriors do there job....


And for everyone complaining that Daggers die easily in party when they try and tank I know everyone here has died more times because some noob wizard decided to AoE 5 party mobs then run away but i met you haven't died close to 1/4 as many times due to dagger errors...


and thats all i have to say about that


You don't have any proof for your claims though. I mean, sometimes it's hard to come with proof, but people here seem to just like to make claims and pretend that they're true, but they're not.

Also, I'm probably one of those noob wizards, lol. But it's 'cause all my parties are gay and the tankers like to sit down and get free xp, so I have to solo stuff.

If people just did their job and stopped trying to get free xp, this game would be alot better.

Anyways, why do people keep saying rogues are so strong? Haven't you noticed that all magical weapons and skills do the same damage, the only difference is the %'s and effects.
Same with rogues and warriors. Warriors have better %'s and stuff, people just keep making these claims that rogues are strong because they're like "omfg dagger desperate is teh best". Yeah, but you die in one hit, and you STILL don't outdamage a wizard. Not only that, but wizards also have life control, which is considerably better than dagger desperate because it doesn't decrease hp by that much, and the biggest thing: it doesn't lower defence.
Defence is perhaps the biggest part in this game, I would much prefer better armor than a better weapon.

If you haven't noticed, rogues defence and hp drop by 75% using that move.

So let's say they have 10k hp with 500 physical and 500 magical defence.

Dagger desperate!

They now have 2.5k hp and 125 phys and magical defence.
You're damage is increased pretty significantly, but it is definately not worth the sacrifice. If you hit 1000 normally, you only hit 1750 now... That's kinda good, but you're still gonna get killed in one hit. Not to mention you're still weaker than wizards, so you're just throwing away your tanking ability for not great purposes.

And if you make claims about stealth, have you not realized wizards have invisibility? And it doesn't make just them invisible, but it also makes the whole party invisible.

I've been comparing rogues to wizards, by the way, not because I think wizards are the best, but because you all seem to like comparing them to wizards.

I had assumptions that rogues might get better later, but I don't think they're really going to.


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Thank you so much for this thread. I so agree:

ROGUES ARE GAY, PLEASE DON'T MAKE ANY MORE ROGUES

Everyone who is rogue now, change to something else immediately! There are too many rogues already. All those that are changing or changed to rogue just cuz they saw me doing some skill, stop that! Please go back to your other builds!

I support this thread!
IT TELLS THE TRUTH! DONT THINK. JUST BELIEVE IN THIS THREAD!

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[SD]Rainigul wrote:
If you haven't noticed, rogues defence and hp drop by 75% using that move.

So let's say they have 10k hp with 500 physical and 500 magical defence.

Dagger desperate!

They now have 2.5k hp and 125 phys and magical defence.
You're damage is increased pretty significantly, but it is definately not worth the sacrifice. If you hit 1000 normally, you only hit 1750 now... That's kinda good, but you're still gonna get killed in one hit. Not to mention you're still weaker than wizards, so you're just throwing away your tanking ability for not great purposes.


Actually the hp does not get reduced, 75% Phys and Mag Defense reduction.


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[SD]Rainigul wrote:
You don't have any proof for your claims though. I mean, sometimes it's hard to come with proof, but people here seem to just like to make claims and pretend that they're true, but they're not.

Also, I'm probably one of those noob wizards, lol. But it's 'cause all my parties are gay and the tankers like to sit down and get free xp, so I have to solo stuff.

If people just did their job and stopped trying to get free xp, this game would be alot better.

Anyways, why do people keep saying rogues are so strong? Haven't you noticed that all magical weapons and skills do the same damage, the only difference is the %'s and effects.
Same with rogues and warriors. Warriors have better %'s and stuff, people just keep making these claims that rogues are strong because they're like "omfg dagger desperate is teh best". Yeah, but you die in one hit, and you STILL don't outdamage a wizard. Not only that, but wizards also have life control, which is considerably better than dagger desperate because it doesn't decrease hp by that much, and the biggest thing: it doesn't lower defence.
Defence is perhaps the biggest part in this game, I would much prefer better armor than a better weapon.

If you haven't noticed, rogues defence and hp drop by 75% using that move.

So let's say they have 10k hp with 500 physical and 500 magical defence.

Dagger desperate!

They now have 2.5k hp and 125 phys and magical defence.
You're damage is increased pretty significantly, but it is definately not worth the sacrifice. If you hit 1000 normally, you only hit 1750 now... That's kinda good, but you're still gonna get killed in one hit. Not to mention you're still weaker than wizards, so you're just throwing away your tanking ability for not great purposes.

And if you make claims about stealth, have you not realized wizards have invisibility? And it doesn't make just them invisible, but it also makes the whole party invisible.

I've been comparing rogues to wizards, by the way, not because I think wizards are the best, but because you all seem to like comparing them to wizards.

I had assumptions that rogues might get better later, but I don't think they're really going to.


I was going to make a reply proving logical points contradicting your post.

But since it sounds like you are just pulling shit from your ass, I won't bother. I see no proof of anything, I see... "omFg, R0gues are teh noob and W1Zards!!1one! ftw" and doing nothing but bashing the class as a whole.

Its funny how you completely ignored my previous post, that basically turned everything in perspective. You know, coming from a person who knows their class.... not someone who is "one of those noob wizards".

Sorry to burst your fullproof theory, but you do know "Dagger Desperate" can be clicked off, yes? Its a versatile buff, which can be clicked off instantly... and since it has no HP mod on it, it has no negative effect after removing it.

(P.S. If you want to argue mechanics of a class, get your facts straight... You obviously dont know specifics of any rogue skills if you cant get the most popular one correct in your arguements.)
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Im not a big fan of moronic rogues. They have no real function in parties that another class cant serve 5x better.

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Rogues should have pilfer as an ability :D.

Their value in a party would greatly be inflated ;).

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Juey wrote:
Thank you so much for this thread. I so agree:

ROGUES ARE GAY, PLEASE DON'T MAKE ANY MORE ROGUES

Everyone who is rogue now, change to something else immediately! There are too many rogues already. All those that are changing or changed to rogue just cuz they saw me doing some skill, stop that! Please go back to your other builds!

I support this thread!
IT TELLS THE TRUTH! DONT THINK. JUST BELIEVE IN THIS THREAD!

Also, you're telling me that you're a rogue? So quit it aswell! R-R

I've created my first character right after the update and it was a rogue, so I will never change the main euro class, do it if you want but do not force others.

Second of all, rogues are mainly played just because of the masks. In the beggining you could sell a mask for 500k if you wanted, now I can't even get 100k because of the noobs getting rogues just to level 10. If joymax would analyze all playr's rogues, most of them would be level 2x, and most of those just 20. Reason: MASKS. Those do not know how to play a rogue and are also dying constantly, I've seen a dagger trying to levelup, just for the masks (had a conversation with him) and he can't manage to get 20. He's grinting at green mobs now to prevent more kills... lol.

Dagger desperate!
That's the skill a dagger should NEVER use when tanking. NEVER! I've did the mistake myself. Result? Most of the party members had to die because of my mistake, luckily we had a cleric.

That's it from me for now...

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