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 Post subject: Rogue Xbow VS Bow PVP ?
PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:54 am 
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which biuld will win in lvl 30 ,40 and 50?


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Depends on str/int build, but if the rogue knocks down first it's almost sure he wins xD

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Whoever gets the first hit in wins.

Since both can 1 shot the other ^^.

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I am lv 44 9gap farming whit +5 bow i can easy kill rogue whit npc eqp and lv 42+3 xbow


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HertogJan wrote:
Whoever gets the first hit in wins.

Since both can 1 shot the other ^^.

+'can't do my infinity character, I'm at work XD'

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Chinese bowers usually own Euro Crossbow Rogues in PvP.. Its because of the "pot delay" of the Euro players, but once a Rogue gets the 1st Crit on the fight he could kill the Chinese after 1-2 hits more... Also depending on their skill and equipments..


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at lvl 50 xbow would definitely win with the new double knockback skill o_0

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Xia_Hou_Dun wrote:
at lvl 50 xbow would definitely win with the new double knockback skill o_0

lol, whats a knockback skill got to do with a chinese bower? o.O
they're also range fighters, so knockback is nothing... kd maybe, they're more annoying than kb for bowers..


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KB disrupts skill casting that's as far as i know

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lolz..........bow oso got 5 combo that kb more that xbow ><


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lol ...
I'm lvl 40 x-bow now ..
I can 1 hit kill chinese archer in my extreme bow .. If I don't use it I can KD then KB and use my long shot and he die for sure .. and for my def , don't forget that x-bow have a passive increase phy def against far ranged melee atatcks
x-bow own all chinese builds , I can kill glaviers with + HP passive , my damge is damn higher than him , and my damge will go more and more higher than chinese bow ..

Also my chance of crit is higher as my x-bow can reach crit 24 but chinese bow can't !!

His chances only will be use Ice imbue and don't die before he freeze me . xD


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elnawawi wrote:
lol ...
I'm lvl 40 x-bow now ..
I can 1 hit kill chinese archer in my extreme bow .. If I don't use it I can KD then KB and use my long shot and he die for sure .. and for my def , don't forget that x-bow have a passive increase phy def against far ranged melee atatcks
x-bow own all chinese builds , I can kill glaviers with + HP passive , my damge is damn higher than him , and my damge will go more and more higher than chinese bow ..

Also my chance of crit is higher as my x-bow can reach crit 24 but chinese bow can't !!

His chances only will be use Ice imbue and don't die before he freeze me . xD

you sure about this huh? 1 hit chinese chars?? i dont think so... not unless you crit or not unless your using a sox crossbow.. considering the pot delay that you guys got, when a chinese bower sneaks out 1-2 hits on you
your pawned specially when your on crossbow extreme your range distance between crossbow and bow users are simply uncomparable... but a good chinese bower could simply ghost walk to be closer to you, strong bow + arrow combo i think this will do the job.. :D


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babychet04 wrote:
elnawawi wrote:
lol ...
I'm lvl 40 x-bow now ..
I can 1 hit kill chinese archer in my extreme bow .. If I don't use it I can KD then KB and use my long shot and he die for sure .. and for my def , don't forget that x-bow have a passive increase phy def against far ranged melee atatcks
x-bow own all chinese builds , I can kill glaviers with + HP passive , my damge is damn higher than him , and my damge will go more and more higher than chinese bow ..

Also my chance of crit is higher as my x-bow can reach crit 24 but chinese bow can't !!

His chances only will be use Ice imbue and don't die before he freeze me . xD

you sure about this huh? 1 hit chinese chars?? i dont think so... not unless you crit or not unless your using a sox crossbow.. considering the pot delay that you guys got, when a chinese bower sneaks out 1-2 hits on you
your pawned specially when your on crossbow extreme your range distance between crossbow and bow users are simply uncomparable... but a good chinese bower could simply ghost walk to be closer to you, strong bow + arrow combo i think this will do the job.. :D


I think he meant it for 1 on 1 situation and not so much for sneak attacks. I mean if we wanna discuss about sneak attacks then anybody can win anybody except maybe bard due to lack of crucial damaging skills.

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Most of the time rogue sneak to others player, so i think your "chinese bower sneaks out 1-2 hits on you " have low % to hit a CE xbower

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Rouge can stealth? :|


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lol ..
I will only use my X-Bow extreme when I'm sure that I will have the longest distance and I will have the first hit ..

Don't forget that I have stealth skill ,,, and plz don't speak about anti-stealth in fire mastery .. it's a very noob skill against x-bow .. it detect only 10 m around you till it become lvl 80 ..

Phantom walk is a good skill against x-bow .. but who said that all bowers have it and know how to use it ? .. and and he will phantom walk to me only if he survive of my KD & KB ..

And for me I don't care about the damge any one can deal to me and don't care about pots delay also ...

I have cleric mastery will give me super def for 45 sec .. this is enough time to kill everything around and say bb to them and leave :wink:

look .. you can watch this :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dsth2Yome3k


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this just goes from my experience on dueling rogues on our server... maybe they're just noobs, and bowers that you own on your server are just noobs too.. i can't imagine a chinese bower with no ghost-walk :shock:


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kwfreedom wrote:
lolz..........bow oso got 5 combo that kb more that xbow ><


yea but the guy was asking lvl 50 xbow vs lvl 50 chinese bower...you dont get that kb skill for chinese skill till 70+ (not sure)


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at lvl 50 xbow would definitely win with the new double knockback skill o_0

lol, whats a knockback skill got to do with a chinese bower? o.O
they're also range fighters, so knockback is nothing... kd maybe, they're more annoying than kb for bowers..


well it's annoying when you first get kd then kb 3 times...it's just like the blader's triple stab but ranged and it can kb :)

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this just goes from my experience on dueling rogues on our server... maybe they're just noobs, and bowers that you own on your server are just noobs too.. i can't imagine a chinese bower with no ghost-walk


rogue have big probem in dualing in pvp .. and here is it ...

he will attack some one ,, he use his x-bow extreme , being visible , will loss some HP , and may some one make effect curse or weaking ... then noob ppl 1 hit him and say : we own rogues also when pvp rogue will almost kill you first time and then you will stand on your feet again and easily kill him .. both happened to me sometimes ..

In jobs .. it will be diffrent .. rogues always go hunters and thiefs ... you wil be big noob if you choose trader .. as a hunter or thief you need to be in stealth mode or duplicate skill or even mask .. you will zerk + extreme bow and snipe far ranged ppl first .. you will have chance to 2 hits archers before they begin attacking you .. you can kill many ppl with np problem depends on the surprise ... that's the work of rogue .. JM designed this charecter to act like this .. not for pvp at all .. crossbow is a snipe tool not long battle tool .. archers can go for 5 minutes fighting it's possible but don't say that with rogues ...

Archer can kill me if I have bad luck and I did no KB , KD , crit ... I can kill him If I did any of these .. I can kill a glavier +4 lvls than me with more and more HP by doing only KD follwed by 2 other hits and he die ..

In guild war ..the rogue job is to snipe healers / ressers / heaby damgers fast and from far range ... he can go stealth and surpise them from behind too .. sniping these people will be the greatest work and he can die in peace after this .. np ..


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everyone...don forget Xbow got poison circle to avoid cold...haha...xbow can win if stealth n attack in pvp with xbow extreme n poison n dont forget xbow range is 18M +2M at Level 50. 5% phy absorb. KB KD long shot and remember to fast shot after every hit... i deal 10K+ damage on bower pure str...7k on pure str glavie... lol !!!
1 hit died... cons are xbow extreme reduce 50% hp phy defense 45% reduced...pot delay...

challenge me for lvl 50 XBOW !!! Athens!!!


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nicholastyc wrote:
everyone...don forget Xbow got poison circle to avoid cold...haha...xbow can win if stealth n attack in pvp with xbow extreme n poison n dont forget xbow range is 18M +2M at Level 50. 5% phy absorb. KB KD long shot and remember to fast shot after every hit... i deal 10K+ damage on bower pure str...7k on pure str glavie... lol !!!
1 hit died... cons are xbow extreme reduce 50% hp phy defense 45% reduced...pot delay...

challenge me for lvl 50 XBOW !!! Athens!!!


cons only reduce 50% hp and phy def 45%, but pot delay can be replace by cleric skill. ^^ :wink: be a rogue is better alot, when you boring you can use a dagger to pvp most of the rogue will max rogue mastery at the end game, but bower cant do that, cos they need force mastery.

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thanks guys i will be ROGUE


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 Post subject: Archer = Defence , X-Bow = Offence
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Archer is for Defence and X-Bow for Offence. im lvl 77 80/80 build and when i fighting offensive players i always use ice wall or fire wall depending if str or int type. i think archer with ice berg wall will win againts high lvl rogue. waiting for the the offensive to get me.


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Oh yeah .. 80:80 bow is the unique build rogue can't beat , but who said that any other build can beat ??? ..
your damge is damn high and your def will be so good too .. I have no chances if you use snow shield .. my only hope is to 1 hit you or 2 hits containing KD or KB .. or 3 hits with both KD and KB ... so I will try to extreme bow and fast kill you before you can cast any def skills like Ice wall or snow shiled .. .. and if you have any of them already I will stealth till your skills be end

But I wil till you better tactics .. as hybird bow need 4 mastery he need a lot of SP .. so he will farming a lot and have big gap ... and as a rogue don't need a lot of sp to max all mastery he can go 0~1 gap from the begining to the end .. so he will reach higher lvl faster than normal bow .. and as he is higher lvl he will beat the bow easily .. and when you both reach 80 rogue should max other mastery that help him to stay alive and then kill you .. may be rogue / warlock a decent enemy for you ..


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ice wall can be cancel by right click or wait the mp to drop and its immune to
KB,KD. Stealth has time duration and will be seen when the time runs out.

Hybrid bow are good grinders strong bow and anti devil skill can kill a monster 4 lvls higher than them. and really fast. even if your in a gap lvl.

Silkroad its all about balance. Hope to see you high lvl euro soon.


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lol, this discussion is terrible

guy a:
yeah yeah i kill each glavier and each bower and everything around me bcz im a roque..roque best build sro muahahaha

LOL if roque would be the best build and kill everything everyone would be roque...

guy b:
yeah yeah i kill each roque easily with strongbow+arrow combo..
no you don't, they are full str characters and if they are in full sun you will never beat them like that

PROOF TTHIS SORT OF CRAP WITH VIDS, not with words, words say nothing...and still a vid says nothing, you don't know how good there skills are and what kind of gear there using


i pvpt a good friend of mine, roque...both around same gear and both good skilled...it was about who had the first hit...
imo stealth can be denied in 1v1, just when they apear run like there's no tommorow, go back so you have equal chances with first hit

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but i agree, roques are VERY good thiefs/hunters

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Rogues are good damage dealers, but everybuild has his pro's and cons.

A farmed level 80 bower against a level 80 xbower will be a even fight, the rogue has stealth wich can give him the element of suprise. The bower can have ice imbue in combination with the knockback combo wich can cause enough delay on the xbower to be killed.

Its all even >.<

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 Post subject: Re: Archer = Defence , X-Bow = Offence
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8080BowBuild wrote:
Archer is for Defence and X-Bow for Offence. im lvl 77 80/80 build and when i fighting offensive players i always use ice wall or fire wall depending if str or int type. i think archer with ice berg wall will win againts high lvl rogue. waiting for the the offensive to get me.


xbow has this long range skill...no bower can hit me when they are fire / ice walled,but i can hit them :twisted:

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HertogJan wrote:
Rogues are good damage dealers, but everybuild has his pro's and cons.

A farmed level 80 bower against a level 80 xbower will be a even fight, the rogue has stealth wich can give him the element of suprise. The bower can have ice imbue in combination with the knockback combo wich can cause enough delay on the xbower to be killed.

Its all even >.<

Well, a fully farmed rogue is immune to cold/burn/shock, so the only things a bower would have over a xbow would be the kb and no pot delay...but the rogue has stealth, better range (fast shot), better damage, but lower hp/def (if in extreme) and the 15secs pot delay.


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