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And the difference between anything in life and an online game is? They are still a part of reality are they not?

you are one stoopid person (either that or you work for joymax).

yes it's hard to eliminate botters completely, but NO it is NOT hard at all to prevent servers from being over crowded with bots and farmers.

it just takes a little human intervention. It makes my skin crawl when I see people defend joymax. that article opened my eyes 10 fold



from that i read that jm looks at the books only. ie sro making a profit = all good, no matter how, sro making a loss = sell it or destroy it, no matter that it was a great product that was just very poorly managed.

Yes because a business should hire "human intervention" and lose money in the process, just so you can log in easier. Yeah because that sure is a smart business venture

And thanks for calling me stupid. A tad ironic that you spelt it with 2 o's though.

Oh and i don't work for Joymax, im just an official Joymax supporter. They have provided me with a superb free game, sure it may have its problems, but perfection is all but a pipe dream.

really ....... ffs if I buy a gold ticket and then I can't use it because I can't log on to the server, shouldn't I be entitled to a refund or an extension?

Or should I have to pay more so that I can actually use what I paid for in the first place. note: This wouldn't sting half as much if the servers were actually full, but I don't consider multiclient bots and spammers as legal players, therefore the servers are actually quite empty ...

The software is only 50% of the game. Joymax made only half of a game.

If you want success, you hire people like a previous post said. With good game management, game idea and game play, you have yourself a great game.

Joymax can make a lot more money by spending more money in hire the necessary people it takes to run a game properly. There are few games that have great gameplay and game management. If you have both, game will be a huge success. If you only have one, its gonna die, aka Silkroad.

What do former Silkroad Players who have quit want?
- They want game rules and fair play to be enforced. They want improved gameplay, aka more than SP Farming and stupid job fights in front of DW Gates.
- Castle Seige is just a simple suggestion.
- Arena Style 5 v 5 Tournament style play (aka WoW and 2Moons).
- Instances (Many MMOs have this, because its fun).
- More Uniques that use skills, spawn more, with higher HP and more Def.
- Improve the alchemy system so people don't waste 50% of their time playing screaming at the computer over failures.
- Get rid of mercs and the new job system (I don't know anyone that likes these two systems)
- Improved Party System. (Like Lineage or WoW, 8 people parties for PvP events is idiotic. Need more than 8 people. Need to see their HPs on the screen, not just party window.) This will improve gameplay greatly for healers and buffers
- Events. More Events.

What is it that Joymax does WRONG, what makes them MORONS.

Look at the games that have had success.

Game Development. Make the F**king game. Then you do updates and maintenance. Far less cost. Look at any MMORPG, they release the game with race/races and classes. That's it. There is no more game development. After that its just updates to improve game play, aka new skills, new uniques, grind areas, events.

Joymax the MORONS still haven't developed a game. They are still creating new race with classes. How dumb can you be, there are few people who want to play an incomplete game.

Game Environment. Maintain the game environment. Ban the bots. Enforce game rules. This way if you make more item mall items, players will buy them. Instead of paying 1K to gold botters, they will spend hundreds on your stupid item mall items. That simple. Not only will you have more player paying for GT and Monkey. Some who have extra cash will buy tons of stupid crap like scrolls and whatever items Joymax can think of.

NONE OF THEM CREATE ENTIRE NEW RACES AND CLASSES AFTER GAME HAS BEEN DEVELOPED. They do updates. Look at Blizzard. They only have 2 factions. There is no new faction. During Burning Crusade they introduced 2 new races, Dreinei and Blood Elf. One for each faction. There are no new classes. And for leveling, you level 1-20 in of those races area, but they have to level 20-70 same area as the rest of the races. They don't have entire new race with entire new classes like Joymax did, its f**king stupid to do that.

Blizzard's next update will be the 80 cap. 1 new class added. Death Knight. They don't have entire new race with 5 new classes. Why, cause its f**king stupid to do that, they would be like idiot Joymax then. They will have new zones to level, new quests.

For Joymax, you have Euro vs Chinese vs Arabic. Differences, you give each race racial abilities. Simple as that. They have different skins, appearance. You have game play setup so they are at odds, some sort of war scenario. You don't need New Classes and New Skills for each race. No one does this. New updates will be new skills at level caps and better game play.
***Examples: Each race starts with different STR and INT. So one race may start of 10 Extra STR. Another with 10 extra INT. Another balanced, 5 STR 5 INT).
***Example: Each race has special skill tree. So you have a Euro Skill tree (Passives). So you level 4 Trees. Your Racial Skill/Passive Tree, 1 Weapon, 2 Elemental. Increase the Masteries to 400. Make level cap 100. Focus on events, gameplay and maintenance. With profits, can start to develop new game instead constantly developing a game that might already be 5-10 years old.

Leveling. Its a grind, granted. But make the grind more enjoyable. Quests. More freaken Quests that do more than give 20K Gold with 50K XP when you need 400Million XP. More mobs. More areas. As we know, most games have more than 1 city and 1 grind area for the levels. This is where instances help. Uniques help. Boss hunting. More dungeons.

Alchemy. Instead of making alchemy, items somewhat easy to get with low success rate. You introduce professions or jobs. WoW isn't the only game to do this. Look at Rose Online for example. Lineage. Its a way for players to make money. But makes crafting also fun. You make the items hard to get, secondly, player's character has to have the skills to do it. Make success rate higher, much more enjoyable crafting. Current system only tells players, buy tons of gold, bot for alchemy items.

And yes, botting. Only Joymax is left with no real solution or method to anti-botting. Blizzard and NCSoft have made botting an issue and been trying to tackle it.

There is no permanent solution. Its a freaken war. You can't just quit. Gotta make constant update or you hire people to watch for bots and actually ban them.

Secondly. Game management. There are few companies that run the game for both Korean and International versions. Joymax should license the game. Have someone else run international. Someone who has more ambition to create the best game possible. Let this company translate, since Joymax can't translate anyways. Let this company hire people to run the game. Joymax should just stick with development, because they don't know how to manage a game anyways.

FOR THOSE WHO CRY ITS FREE GAME

Fine, if you want to cry about that. Then everyone play for free. Lets see how long Silkroad will be around.

Will you be crying its a free game then?

Cause its certainly not free. Someone is paying to keep the game alive. Those of us who pay, want more from the game.

If you say the lack of support and management is because its a free game. Then lets see what happens when everyone plays it for free. Douchebag morons

PS: Quit the game dudes. There are far better games with far better support. If its a free game you want play games like Guild Wars where you buy the game/expansion once, play monthly for free.

Private servers. For WoW, not so great. But for Lineage 2, they are actually quite good. Some of them have 10K players. Lineage 2 servers are unbelieveable, they can support 10X more players than a Silkroad server can. Silkroad has what 5K players maybe, lineage more like 50K on 1 server.

Warhammer Online and Age of Conan, SUN Online all due out early 2008. Blizzard, NCSoft and Webzen are all major successes. Both in game management and game development.

Game to wait and see: Fury. Supposedly enhanced PvP style MMORPG. I'll wait and see what the reviews are.
http://www.unleashthefury.com/

For game in development: Watch out for Project Offset. New crew, small crew. They created their own engine. MMORPG FPS style. Still using classes like rogues, warriors, but the play is like FPS. Hard to explain, here is a demo movie that was leaked.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rqEm-3MFcvs

*cracks knuckles*

Here we go.

Now, we ban the bots, then what? They make a new account. Then you ban that account, but the thing is they just wont stop coming. Gold bot companies make thousands of dollars from bots. They will simply just keep making new accounts. You can exterminate something which will endlessly come back.

Also, how long do YOU think it will take to ban EVERY bot in a server? See, as a player we know someone is botting when we seem them. We have learnt the patterns and behaviors of a bot so we know how they act. But to justifiably ban someone, you cant simply just ban them by looking at them, Its like sending someone to jail because they look like a criminal. But you actually need PROOF to ban someone, and getting this proof takes more time and effort than you realize. Because if they don't have proof, people will start complaining about their lost accounts, and there will be a royal uproar on joymax's behalf.

Now, on one server, lets say theres 10,000 bots who log in / out at different intervals *figures are made up*. To ban each of these bots, it will require a GM to gather proof for each of these bots, individually find each of these bots, etc. Wow it seems like its taking alot longer than it seems...

Now lets consider the fact that there are like, 23? servers. Wow baning all these bots have become alot more time consuming than it 1st set out to be. And is the time/effort/money/profit ratio really worth it for joymax? Well in my opinion no. But that doesn't make them a bad company, it makes them a smart company.

The only way to get rid of bots, is to stop them from entering the server all together. And since joymax wont and never will ban via ip, i doubt that will be happening anytime soon.

Also you fail to see this is a f2p game, not a p2p game. If you want perfect environment, go buy wow. Oh but wait, even wow has bot issues. Well it seems that even the "best" games has the same problems. Maybe it isn't just joymax's problem

Oh and mocking my intellectual integrity just failed [calling me stupid etc]. I think by doing so you have disproved your own.

Ignore any gramatical errors, its dam late.

YOu're an idiot.

They don't need to make proofs. Its their freaken game. They can do what they want. If they see you botting, ban, easy. No appeals, that's it.

What do you Blizzard does with their 100-500K Bot bans every month? Make detail proof that person was botting? Are you stupid?

Yes that's exactly what you do. You keep banning them. You don't give up. You don't act like you do, OMG so many bots, lets just stop banning them.

You hire these people to do this. Who cares how long it takes. Its their FREAKEN JOB. THEY HAVE NO OTHER JOB. Their job is to be in game, and maintain gaming environment. Not PR, Marketing, Development, or Sales. Just maintain the game environment. Hiring 6 people for each server is not that big a deal. 2 players on 8 hour shifts. 24 hour coverage.

If you have this going on, people will play, people will pay. There really isn't that many players playing the game. Sure you see Crowded in the server list, but that's cause 2/3 of them are bots.

You maintain gaming environement, you'll have 8/10 Players, 3-5K Players on each server paying 25-30 USD a month. These players won't spending a thousand to a gold bot. Instead they'll spend hundreds on item mall. That's huge profits even if you hire 6 people. What do you think, you have to pay these people 100K a year? Their job is game maintenance. Pay them 30K. That's still above the average salary (Western Countries)

Average wage is $1,000 per week for most people. 6 * 1000 = 6000

6000 * 23 = 138 000

Yeah, thats not a big deal.

You're on crack.

Average wage is not 1000 a week. You are a moron. Look at worldwide wages, barely anyone makes 1000 a week.

EVEN IN THE USA AVERAGE WAGE IS NOT 1000 a week. If have 2 people working and they make 104K a year together, well no one would be complaining.

YOU MORON, wage and poverty is a huge issue even in the USA. 90% of the money is made by less than 10% of the population. You truly are an idiot. Have you even gone to school or read an economics article?

You hired these players to ban botters. They are not freaken engineers.

You pay these people around 3K a month. That 18K per month for 23 servers. Sure that's 414K per month.

So now you have maintained good gaming environment. Improved game play. Players come back. You now have 5K players on the server. 3K of them will probably pay 25 a month. That 1.7Million a month.

So yes 400K to pay people to ban bots with 1.7Million in from the item mall. No freaken deal. Idiot.

Year Index
1991 21,811.60
1992 22,935.42
1993 23,132.67
1994 23,753.53
1995 24,705.66
1996 25,913.90
1997 27,426.00
1998 28,861.44
1999 30,469.84
2000 32,154.82
2001 32,921.92
2002 33,252.09
2003 34,064.95
2004 35,648.55
2005 36,952.94

THAT's USA Average Salary and Wages BEFORE TAXES. Taken from SSA.GOV. Real statistics from US Gov census, taxes and whatever else they use for statistics.

Wanna guess how much other people make in other countries. Course you're smart enough to know US Average wages is ranked

IMF 2007 Report. You do know what IMF is? ROFL
39K For USA in 2006. Yeah Before Taxes. 1/3 goes to taxes. Average American now has 26K to live on.
http://imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/200 ... 007all.xls

Where is your evidence of 1K per year?

FlAmE wArRrRrR

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Basically bots are here to stay. As long as there are programmers who have the desire to make money from SRO, there will be bots for people to use. The best tactic is not to start 3 threads a day on how much you hate them, how you KSed one, or why Joymax is to blame for every one of your problems. Instead, the solution is to find ways to make botting hell. If you can't stop them, why not annoy them? There's some good videos on youtube that demonstrate just this. For example, if you see a bot with a pet, go buy a bunch of capes, and drop them beside it. BOOM! No more drops for the botter.

Rather than attacking each other over nothing (remember arguing over the internet is like talking to a brick wall, no one cares), why not focus our hostility on the bots that cause it?

Well Better to lock the thread now ..........

Its only a flame war if its just trash talk.

My statements are based on real statistics and I try to use some sense and reasoning.

You know what the ironic thing though? Any modified clients, i.e botting / pk2 editing could all be denied to log in IF WE JUST HAD A PROGRAM LIKE GAME GUARD. if you ever noticed, before you log in it shows a little banner or game guard. funny thing is, all that is is a banner. there is no gameguard.exe running, which is why sro is a bot fest. I really don't understand why legits keep buying silk after they play sro. I mean are you guys in denile? all you're doing is telling joymax that what they're doing right now is good enough to make money - so why would they ban the bots / clean up the gameplay? i've been playing since december 05, and if you can remember the gaming community back then, where you could have a full on converstation with multiple people in the grinding area, because of course there were absoultly no bots at the time. Now, the majority of the players are afk. if not, they don't even speak english. I've got a lv80 capped player that i could play every day and get entertainment out of it, but i decide not to because of joymax. I just cant believe you guys still grind with all the bots and still pay joymax for their Lovely game.

Leaving? Ill have your account

Why not pm him was not need to post it about it and bring up this ....thread

pm iS SeCreT. no BlABla on Pm. hE iS no finD pM Button. pOst is bs!!

Though I would say it's more 40, 40, 20, respectively, I do agree that the community in SRO is severely lacking.

Why do you care, blackfox? Why do always jump on whatever I say?
Go to fu.cking hell. I write what I want.

And I was frigging jking. Did you seriously think I was making a serious offer to take his account, and that he would seriously give it to me?

lol

I know you kidding so what .. o.O one more, LMAO i jump on you always are you kidding ...I look and i dont even jump on you before not what i can see so stop lie there.

always cheers me up.

One way to make botting hell is to form auto-share party of 8 players. Why 8 player? The more in your party the more party mob will spawn. Go to a botting area and kill all the normal mobs so that the bots are left with only party mobs. from my personal experience partymobs, when on your own, are real nasty pot suckers and can rape your stuff in no time. Even if the gold income is greater with them, you still get a negative income once pots and repairs are done. Once the normal mobs are eliminated its time to play mob dumping. In no time you have a dead bots.

Wash, rince, repeat.

Then you go out with your fully farmed legit lvl 80 and get taken out in two hits by a lvl 80 bot with sosun gear who started playing 10 months after you did.


Yeah...real satisfying. :O

first of all my apologies, seems you are actually retarded, i called you stoopid (with two o's).



No shit sherlock, however as I mentioned, while it is not possible to ban all bots, it certainly is possible to ban the majority. Fully half if not more of SRO servers are bots. Give me Gm for a server, give me 1 working day and 1 hour max per day thereafter and the gold bots will be gone, along with the majority of player bots.



Partly answered above (time). But if the game devs can't spot a bot then ... well i dunno, surely the people that own and develop and run this far.king game can spot a legit??? perhaps that's half the problem, they don't care.
BTW they need no proof, there terms make that clear, although aside from that a normal person would probably come up with the solution of suspending an account before banning it, and logging notes about why the account was suspended.
PS lol royal uproar ... I think there already is one ... legits vs JM



There's (last check) max 3000 players per server. Again as per what I've said above you can't ban ALL the bots, but you CAN ban the majority. Here's some proof that could easily be found:
1. same IP address for multiple users that are on 24/7
2. walk the fark out of hotan and open your eyes.
3. A GM saying "Hi this is a GM please reply to me or you will be banned"
4. The list goes on ... JM needs no reason to ban accounts, and to be honest if they actually banned a legit I would be very surprised.



lmao, my phone company has a little more than 23 servers, perhaps they should fire their entire help desk and maintenance crews to save money .... where are you from btw? some wank company out to exploit poverty stricken countries?



Nfi what you're talking about here, gold farmers etc will more than likely have static ip's. The other way to stop bots would be to have a little human intervention. Not sure if you have noticed but all bots start out in jangan/const, so that would narow the field a little eh ...



If you think this is a f2p game, then that is because you don't have any money and people like me are supporting YOUR f2p game. Most people I know spend $20+ per month. DO YOU REALLY THINK THIS free GAME WOULD EXIST WITHOUT THAT?

BASICALLY I AM SAYING TREAT THOSE THAT SUPPORT THIS GAME WITH SOME F|_|CKING RESPECT

freeloaders ...

A good Anti-Cheat system would prevent the Bot problem like "The Warden" in WoW(If JM would really want to ban people who give them profit).

I'm a silk buyer.... Yes I don't have problems logging in... I don't lag...


Why did I quit SRO and said it sucks?

1. THE COMMUNITY IS SHIT.
2. JOYMAX CLEARY DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THE PLAYERS.
3. LACK OF UPDATES.
4. GRINDING IN SRO IS LIKE GRINDING IN A PRIVATE SERVER, Private server = Almost no other players in that zone ; SRO = You're there are only few "PLAYERS" in that zone, most of them are bots.


And the list goes on...

I'm just sick of being treated like a non silk buyer. Yes if this game was f2p then noone can complain, but it is for example free to play playstation at your local electronics shop. However as soon as you pay for one it's a fuckin different story

Guys I have played Silkroad since feb 06 and let me tell ya...this game blows compared to others, especially World of Warcraft. All my friends quit sro for wow and I was like, "no, its gonna get better"....but guys it don't. I have a lvl 68 and lvl 80 so I have PLAYED the game, there is no use whinning about bots, Joymax don't care...trust me I know. Go play a real game like WoW or any of the mulititude that is coming out now. Trust me a pay to play game is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much better than a Free to Play. I have not seen on person yet in wow beg for 10k or ks you, im sure it happens but its much rarer than sro. So yea I have quit this shitty game...how can you even call it a mmorpg without instances or dungeons...oh yea the TRIANGULAR CONFLICT...lmfao. When you hit 80 guys...its boring, at least in wow you only grind here and there to lvl, as its quest based. Fu.ck it, move on and let the koreans have there game...its shit anyway. I will come back once the 90 cap comes to lvl to 81 and get full 9th garment and the best blade/shield I can buy then officialy quit as I have 1.3billion gold just sitting in my account....it really blows to have gold and can't use it because I already got my 3rd tier stuffs.....oh well, in World of Warcraft you actually have to WORK for you high tier equip, no super sun cash bought chars in there

From what I understand, poor customer service, unregulated chat, poor behavior, lack of GMs, and being able to KS, PK - is an attraction to some. An aspect of SRO that people enjoy.

I think people work so hard to make others miserable in SRO is because its all there is TO do. And since its allowed, theres no consequence for it.