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If we are the same lvl with the same build and same weapon and set , I have light and you have fire ...
My parry ratio will prevent you to do your max damge and if you don't have good attack rating already you will do the minimum .. (only bow have good attack rating)
My elctric effect will let me do my best damge and if you don't have good light lvl I will always do the max ...
So I will kill you easier .. right ?

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=JGqptrMRVAs here a vid of my 80:80 spear
btw... both spear and bow works fine with the 80:80 build.

But !
kaws is an archer with bow mastery .. you have fire and light and cold too .. how you have heuksal mastery too ?!!!!!!!!

And plz ,
I wanna see this spear 80:80 fight against pure int .. and more important wanna see it against hybird int ..

Since the Euro update, I have reached two logical conclusions:

1) Chinese were always meant to be hybrids, probably using Fire or Ice to offset their defense. I am surprised that no one ever suggests mimicking their weapon's Phy/Mag balance.

2) Chinese were not meant to do massive damage, but to have massive defense. I say that because (A) low pot delay and (B) 5 sec imbue

If Chinese characters were meant to do massive damage, why are imbues on 5 sec timers instead of 5 min timers like Euro gets?

Sorry but imbue is 8 sec
BTW why you even talk about imbues. Euros just got a lot better percentage in skils. Chinese best is 350% in skill in bow. But euro got 970~ cleric Thats just sick. They got uber bufs. To do one hit oponents. In my eyes euro is just shit.

I'm sure that phy reinforce give you more HP recovery .. test it with natural therephy in force tree .. but I'm not sure that this effect came from weapon reinforcement or only from defensive items reinforce ..

And about 500% reinforce scroll .. it's reward for a lot of euro quests .. I have about 6 reinforce scrolls with my lvl 41 rogue ..
Euro quests give tou great rewards .. the best reward ever is 20 zerk scroll you get from IVY quest

Has anyone tried to mimic a weapons phy/mag ratio?
i.e. 64 Glavie is 504-659/753-959... .68 ratio... 17:25 ratio

I did an experiment to determine how much Hp will be healed with a large HP pot. The conclusion is: Hp healed is dependent on either STR points or HP of character(i did not isolate those 2 factors).
The more STR/hp you have the more hp will be healed with 1 pot.
Weapon physical attack or reinforce had no effect, neither did physical reinforce on clothes.

I haven't gotten my hands on a reinforce scroll yet, but if it is the same as reinforce on a weapon, or clothes then it has no effect on HP pot amount.

Before you start
Before saying : noob, not work, reeally shit, go to hell, will owned ... etc .. try to read my words and study this build well , it's a good planed build but need your precious advices to be completed .. so plz read carefuly and read all the topic before say anything ...
I have planed it while my VGA card not working and I can't play SRO for a while so I started to plan new builds thinking about cap 90 .. I thought about 5 new builds but I found them all some shit .. only this build seems to be good enough ...

The story of this build and why to make it
I will tell you the story of this build to know how I think ..
First I was thinking about 80:80 bow .. I always say 80:80 bow better than pure str bow against glaviers because a glavie have more HP, and more attack than a bow .. so I began to think that a 80:80 glavier will be better than 80:80 bow .. let's compare :

Glavie have more phy attack than bow
Glavie have more mag attack than bow
Glavie have more HP than bow
Glavie have stun & KB as bow
Glavie have not range like bow
Glavie have not crit skills like bow
Both haven't sheild to be super tanker or add more INT & STR

From these points I see that glavier 80:80 will be better than bower , glavier have both better phy & mag attack , glavier have more HP , 80:80 don't depend on crits at main so it will give glavier more chance to be better ...

Glaviers are always done as tankers with little damge .. and this make a lot of people be bored from using glavie .. Why not make new heavy damger glavier and still have good amount of HP ?! ..
SRO started from long time and still have the same builds .. why not give People new good build to choose ? ...

People always say that builds like this are noob builds .. yes you speak right .. only noobs did these builds so it's sux .. but any one think about a professional ppl make a very good plan to skill his noob charecter and make it a good one ?

No I think that you are with me that make a good diffrent thing is a good goal enough to spend time and thinking for it .. at least to give some people more fun .. some people love to see new blood in the game ..

We are making Hybird .. what's the best balance for it ?
It was the first question i asked myself .. we made 80:80 for bow because bow have phy attack equal to mag attack ... but glavie have the highest phy attack and the second mag attack .. see this chart first and make sure you noticed well :

let's take an example of npc degree 8 weapons attack and see ...

BOW : phy attack = 559 , mag = 894
Blade : phy = 551 , mag = 813
Glavie : phy = 616 , mag = 896
Sword : phy = 508 , mag = 882
spear : phy = 560 , mag = 986

so it's as following :
phy attack : Glavie > Spear > Bow > Blade > Sword
Mag attack : Spear > Glavie > Bow > Sowrd > Blade

I think you know now that If we plan to use a glavie as a hybird weapon we need to have more STR than INT ..
So I tried to increase the 80:80 ratio toward the strength of the charecter .. (in real life 70:70 when fully pimped by str and int will be 80:85 not 80:80 tha mean more mag than phy .. )

when I get first phy balance greater than mag balance i found that it's so near from 1:1 str : int ... so i added some other points in str to make it 1 : 1 hybird .. it will be easier ... and the balance was (85% phy and 78% mag at lvl 80) with fully pimped set with str and int .. when I made this charecter naked (without any str or int bonus) i found the balance is 75% phy and 62% mag ... I think that this balance is very good to make a heavy damge by glavie (don't depends on crit at main) ..
I was planing to 90 cap .. so i tried to increase the lvl to 90 and add the new str and int points I found the balance become : 84% phy and 76% mag

EDIT :
this was before I know that you can put 6 INT & STR on your degree 9 items .. so I calculated again and the result was : (86% phy & 79% mag in lvl 90 ) so great

you will have great boost in your attack from the imbue and stil very good from your weapon skill .. and about your HP it will be more than 17.5 K in lvl 80 !!!! you will not lose a lot in your HP but you have more and more damge .. (you will know soon that you didn't lost real HP .. you will have better chances ..

See the balance and charecter stat in this links :
The charecter stat in lvl 80 :
http://bobtheveg.dyndns.org/SRO/Char_Build_Applet/?profile=39812
The charecter stst at lvl 90 :
http://bobtheveg.dyndns.org/SRO/Char_Build_Applet/?profile=39977

Now after the balance .. what's the best type of armor for this build ?
My first think was about protector .. protector will give you better chances against pure str builds specialy pure str bow that can easily kill you if you wear garment .. you don't need to worry about nukers .. they still can't kill you .. you have more mag def from your build that can give you the amount you lost by protector instead of garment .. you also have decent amout of HP and can survive enough against nukers .. you already kill them fast .. but If you have any other suggestions better than protector plz tell me .. and also read the skills plan and take your time to think about the best type of armor

And we here with the most important thing .. the skills
Heuksal 90 / Light 90 / fire 70 / cold 50

http://bobtheveg.dyndns.org/SRO/Char_Build_Applet/?profile=39977
That's right , this charecter builder have it's skill with 70 at max and don't have the new skills yet .. but you can ave a look to support the picture of the skills in your brain .. but my main charecter builder I used was this :
http://nivlam.com/char/
But for sry we can't save our work there .. So I will tell you every mastery and every skill ..

Heuksal 90
I almost will say all guides say here in this section .. it's your weapon , you should max it all , it's your main mastery and if you plan to don't farm a lot in low lvls and start farming in high lvls you should max this mastery first ..

Annihilating Blade Series
It's always a good advice to skip this skill to don't waste your sp .. you have other skills do the same effect but it's better .. So skip it ...

Fanning Spear Series
Your elite shield against mag attack .. you can block or decrease the mag attack a pure int charecter can do .. max this series .. you will not only meet nukers , you will have to meet wizards and warlocks .. that can kill you if you don't kill them fast .. that's the best skill can save your life against a pure offering from a cleric .. it's have 15 sec effect and have longer cooldowm timer .. so make sure you will use it at the right time ..

Heuksal Spear Series
Some people say that this skill isn't the worth to get .. but you should notice that this skill at 3rd book can attack 3 enemies with 200% increase .. it will take less time than your ghost spear and still do good damge .. in last book you withh attack 3 enemies 2 times with and you can dull them .. lol .. dull is so great and normal pills can't let it go away .. IMO it's the best AOE effect .. your AOE attacks in this build will be more important than a pure str .. read the rest of skills explain and also read the next section of " grinding and tactics " .. Max the skill and use it with your light imbue and you will kill faster ..
And for pvp .. use it use it use it .. dull your enemy and he should hate you

Soul Departs Spear Series
your best attack that can stun your enemy .. you know already that's very important in PVP and PVE too but its use in PVE will reduce in this build as you need faster attacks that have AOE .. but heavy attack with stun will still have special postion in glavier hearts and enemies heads ..

Ghost Spear Attack Series
And here is your best attack MAX , too fast attack (its delay is after doing the move not before) , have great AOE with good range , and can KB enemies , this skill with light imbue while 5 monsters around you means great damge to them all you know how light imbue transfer damge to other target .. you can imagine the effect ... and in the new cap you will have new book in this move and this should make it so great to use in 1:1 glavier ..

Chain Spear Attack Series
Your chain .. you still have the choose between 4 combo attack with 100% each or 6 combo attacks with 86% each .. I think the use of this will be for PVP at most, and for PVE you need AOE as fast as you can .. and this chain will take long time before let you AOE again .. it's your choose to Max or not to max ..

Flying Dragon Spear Series
Your ranged attack .. will be so great to lure mobs and will be good starter with ranged attackers in PVP .. very important skill that have AOE too .. also still good to attack enemies near you .. the AOE will be better in nearby enemies and it's fast skill too Max

Cheolsam Force Series (Passive)
Max Max Max .. your HP increase passive ..

Light 90
lvl 90 light is the key to a succesful 1:1 glavier .. you need to max all skills here .. it's the thing will make you a special build .. this will give you great chance ..

Thunder Force Series
your imbue .. use it with every AOE sglavie skill and you will multi hit everything at the same time .. enjoy killing 5~6 monsters fast at the same time .. light imbue with your ranged attack will be good to lure more mobs .. and at last elerctric shock effect is so cool and let you make bigger numbers in your attack .. some people are immunu to cold .. but no one think about that with light .. and mobs will be under the effect all time as you use AOE .. you will see that you deal great damge better than pure str ..

Piercing Force Series
yes .. that's the point of light .. that's why we made 90 light .. you are a hybird .. have decent mag balance and very good mag attack on your glavie ( better than bow and sowrd ) so if you max this mag attack buff you can do the max damge you imagine with a glavie .. and this buff will give you good chance to nuke .. this have more ##% than the phy attack one .. so you need this at max .. make sure that this is your first buff ..

Wind Walk Series
Don't forget the advantage of being the fastest in the game .. you have all speed buffs at max .. you will not fear a pure str bow as you will reach him in no time with your shadow walk .. and you will reach nukers and all 10 m ranged ppl in so little time by your speed walk .. this will also give you very good chance to gring mobs .. you will move too fast and that'a a better chance to have faster exp/sp .. you already love this skill and you always hate that you don't have it maxed as a pure str glavier ... you can enjoy it now ...

Lion Shout Series
mmmm ... mag based with short range and short transfer range and numbers .. INt builds use it as a good finisher .. but I think it's not suitable for you .. you have better moves to finish .. (and you already have a lot of mobs around you ) .. and off course in pvp you can finish better with ghost spear .. don't waste your sp in this skill ...

Edit : if you plan to have more mag balance in eairly lvls and will put str points later you can use this mag attack off course ..

Concentration Series
who hate parry ratio ?? .. pary ratio like more def .. and it's so good to avoid phy effects (KB, KD, Stun, Dull, Bleed... etc) .. also is good to avoid high attack rating .. you will see the diffrence when you max and buff it ..

Thunderbolt Force Series
The light nuke ... will deal decent damge but not high enough .. so you can use it as a starter or ranged attack in pvp .. and a multi lure attack with decent damge in PVE .. If you love to nuke is some situation max it .. if you just need to open few books and don't up them .. your last book woll be lvl 90 .. you need a lot of sp to get it .. so it's depends on your style and sp ...

Heaven's Force Series (Passive)
Should I speak about passive again .. parry ratio again .. so great ...

fire 70
As a you have more phy def and attack from your build and weapon you need fire more than cold .. fire is your second force ... we don't max it but still very good at lvl 70 .. great chance to boost your performance ... but not a lot of skills we need here .. only few ..

Fire Force Series
we don't need another imbue , it will not give us more attack (as it's 70 only) and will not give better effect (burn is the least effect) .. and don't have AOE .. will not help .. skip ..

Fire Shield Series
Need a shield to buff .. If you plan to use a shield to only buff this and have great resist against effects you should max this .. if you don't like to switch weapon to buff don't think about it ... any way it's useful in pvp not pve .. and you can think only about cold monsters because they are the only monsters can make a good effect ..

Flame Body Series
You know the story .. all str builds go after this buff to max we will max it to 70 only .. it still good enough to boost your phy attack .. will work well with mag attack increase make you damge everything by your heavy attacks ...

Fire Protection Series
Mag def now .. you need it .. you still haven't the best mag def to skip this .. it will help you a lot .. important buff too..

Fire Wall Series
You think about that ? the elite fire wall that can help you against wizards and int based charecters ? .. people always say that it's useless .. but some other use it to survive in tide matters .. It can bloack a very strong mag attack easily .. but remember .. you can't move while using this wall .. and you don't have enough ranged attack to finish the enemy in fire wall mode you need to get close first .. but they always have the chance to run away .. not the best choise but still a choise for some people ..

Flame Wave Series
What's the point of it ? .. yes fire nuke have AOE .. but not enough .. and your fire isn't your max force .. and you don't need to waste SP .. only if you get all planed skills and have spare of sp and don't know where to spend them put some here .. otherwise don't try ...

Edit : if you plan to have more mag balance in eairly lvls and will put str points later you can use this nuke off course ..

Fire Combustion Series
Anti-stealth and invisible .. your shield from your hidden enemies .. will not make any profit in PVE .. but make sure you have it in PVP , Jobs , wars ... and don't forget to use it .. it may safe your life before a dagger hurt your heart ..

Flame Devil Force Series (Passive)
Another passive with phy attack .. yes good .. all passives is useful to you .. pure int nukers don't use this passive as it will not help a lot .. but you need it .. another good boost ..

cold 50
Cold is your last force .. you have more phy def than mag and you have HP too .. and we do heavy damger not tanker .. so we don't need too high lvl in cold .. you can just make it 50 and enjoy the advantages ... if you need to make use all masteries (300) till they open the new gap you can go for 70 cold not only 50 .. but as we plan for cap 90 let's say 50 cold ..

Cold Force Series
If you have 70 cold it's no problem to have this imbue .. forst and freeze effects are so cool and people love them .. but what's the point of freezing mobs with less attack with a heavy damger ? .. you can use it but you will take longer to kill and will use less HP pots and more MP pots ... if you have only 50 mastery the effect will be nothing .. don't try it .. useless ..

Frost Guard Series
your phy def ... you have good amount of HP and phy def already .. but more phy def will help a lot against pure str charecters .. make sure you max this as you can ...

Cold Wave Attack Series
Only to frost things from ranged distance .. useless ..

Frost Wall Series
Another wall that can block a phy attack .. if you see that you have big problem against str builds just use it .. but again .. you don't have enough ranged attacks to kill from distance ... may be useful after a crossbow crit attack damged your HP to near the minimum .. this can give you a chance for recovery .. it's your choise again .. you are hybird and you can use these skills but will not give the best you imagine .. your cold is 50 only and can't block more than 3.6 k from damge .. I think skip walls for snow shield is better ...

Frost Nova Series
you love the nova ?! I love it too ... so if the cold is 70 I will use it for sure .. having a lot of mobs around me and make them slow / stop while I keep my AOE heavy attacks are good .. but if you are lvl 90 and use nova lvl 50 will be nothing .. just some sp you spend to make profit in early lvls not high ...

Snow Storm Series
yes tactical move .. may be good .. may effect with higher percentage (freeze , frost) may be vey good with cold imbue too may lure other mobs .. but what's the point of it with -40 lvl than you ? you can open first book and don't up .. then open the second book and don't up too .. as I said .. just tactical move .. don't spend sp here ..

Snow Shield Series
Don't max .. be carful .. it's dangerous to find yourself with no MP to attack .. you have mag balance 78 % at max .. don't go after 30~35 % of this shiled depends on your INt and MP on your gear .. you may don't use more than 25% .. but as I said .. it depends .. and this will make you very good tanker for 2 minutes every 3 minutes .. you have too big HP and when you use snow shield nothing can kill you .. try it and tell us what's the best snow shiled absorbtion percentage .. I didn't test it with 1 : 1 glavier before as I didn't make this charecter yet ...

Cold Armor Series (Passive)
Phy def .. go go go ...

ah .. at last we finished this .. I was in hope to add section of tactics while grinding and jobing .. etc .. but I think it's not the time to add this .. I may make it as update later .. now return to the vote in the begining of the page and tell me your opinion ...

Thx for reading ..

Has been edited :

september 19, 2007 :
Edit the balance in lvl 90 & edit some skills explaination ..

If you wanna (Naked) 70 70 build, you need spear -_- if you go for 85/73 like u say, you need Mayby galvie... i'll take 80 80 cuz evertbody think your pure int spear And I'll take cold lightning heuksal Mayby fire 40 But dont think so....

I believe in this build, so i created a new char, and started on this build. So far im now lvl 19 fully farmed when i was 18 i faught against an other lvl 18 wich was pure str glavie with sos glavie guess what, i won 3 out of 3 rounds wiht a standard lvl 16 glavie, i think so far that proofes enough xD

now i have a question, if this build works at glavie, than could it work with blade???

Here I am elnawawi
First of all thx for your effort on this idea/guide and thx for sharing it with us.
After i read through the prescription xP (hehe joke) im quite sure its a good idea.
But i dont agree with if you going to make a 70:70 (80:80) balanced glavie.
IMO a spear would do better with that balance since spear will do higher damage !

1. Chinese chars are more based to be hybrid chars since they get their power from phy attack SKILLS and mag attack SKILLS.
2. Euro chars are based to be almost pure since they have only either mag attack SKILLS or phy attack SKILLS -> They dont use/have an imbue skill !

So your idea is almost close to mine ! There is still a Problem...
What Balance ?
I would suggest to have balance of 80:54 (lvl 90) naked since the 70:70 works better for bow/spear.
Why 80:54 ? Well glavie is a str based weapon which doesnt mean it should be pure but it means your phy balance should be higher than your mag balance !
Or 76:60 Balance naked might also work !
Just try to keep your Phy abalance highert han your mag balance and it should be fine.

There is another Problem... when will this build show his true strenght ?
You wont be able to see if your build work or not on low lvl... it wont be easy to make such a risky build but as i mentioned in my own THREAD already NO PAIN NO GAIN !

Most people go pure str cause its the easiest way for a glavier and the crit are painful... but IMO chinese char are mow to be hybrids !
Thats just my opinion so feel free to take it an advice or just ignore it

Cheers

Most people go pure str cause its the easiest way for a glavier and the crit are painful

elnawawi wich server do you play? maybe i can start this build in your server too, but anyways about the balance, i have it 76 : 62 that is what you said in the guide wasn't it ? ore 70 : 70 ????