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BOTS HAVE BEEN BANNED, THIS WAS AN ENJOYABLE TOPIC... GOOD JOB JM

B4 i start i would like to say if this is a misunderstanding on my part then; i deeply apologize to any calsualties in the line of fire. I also apologize to joymax who will most likely be hurt the most by what i am about 2 post. And i greatly apologize to the legit community that may leave this game due to possible misinformation.


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now some rules:
1] if you dont understand what any body in this thread is talking about pls click back now
2] since i sense there to be use of flames i am warning you now i will ask a mod to edit your post
3] and if you didnt read the whole thing and you feel the urge to click "post reply" then pls click back its your best friend.
4] and lastly dont take this as a conspiracy theory, i hate conspiracy thoerist as much as the next guy or gal. think of it as a loaded question.

NOW I BEGIN:
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The day i feared from the moment i discovered the potential dangers of 3rd party abuse has happened. the Company [Joymax] has removed any information regarding banning bots or the use of 3rd party software such as softmod bots etc out of their ToS'; that, i ,as well as, many others have signed. The Company has subtly made the act of botting and/or using softmod legal. Acts such as botting are no longer against the rules . All this time we have been led along lied to, and decieved; some including myself may have spent real money on this game, but now its all pointless. dont believe me? here this should help you:


this is NOT the date they modified the ToS, I, suspect it to be sometime between July and Oct of this year. That date applies to when they started enacting the rules in the ToS. As you an see they, the Company, refrained from modifiying [my spelling is bad sry] the date of change in order to ensure that no1 would notice them break section two of article two of chapter 1 of the ToS.



according to the company they may change any part of the ToS the see fit, but the must notify their users of such changes; they, the Company, has failed to do so because of the recent exclusion of the article which clearly stated that the use of any 3rd party applications such as bots or softmod will result in a termination of normal and premium services.



the Company no longer allows the user to complain about flaws in the service of Silkroad Online; for this reason any questions regarding gold bots intown spam or general problems and bugs are ignored and/or left unchecked.



nuff said... for those of you who are still in disbelief here is a copy of the ToS:

EDIT:
@cruor,

Cruor in most cases when you make a post its over, no more to post; because in most cases we are not dealing with joymax themselves, but with some other form of legitamcy. This time that is not the case, in the Joymax Operation policy they directly contradict themselves; first they post the vauge [sp] 5.2 which is left open for interpretation, then further down in section 8.1 they overide 5.2 by; stating specifically what you can be banned for, and for how long. There is nothing regarding the use of 3rd party applications.

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in chapter 2 of the ToS, you will notice it jumps from article 2 - 4 [there is no 3]. article 3 was the part pertaining to banning bots. now you know it was edited.

ANOTHER EDIT:
Response to:






The section regarding botting [section 3 of chapter 2] has been deleted; notice 2 jumps directly to 4. Another thing, Joymax themselves has broken thier own ToS by; editing the ToS without informing the isro community which is cleary stated they wouldnt do in the first quote on my first post. section 5.2 may say illegal applications, but because of their lack of operational definitons [as is neccesary on any legal document] it is unclear exactly what illegal stands for.


And lastly in section 8.1 of the operation policy of joymax it cleary states what and why you can be banned. there is nothing regarding the use of illegal applications which may i add have yet to be defined as 3rd party applications such as the white finger

so lets recap:
1] section 5.2 says illegal but fails to define said term
2] section 8.1 then takes the liberty to specify what you can be banned for, but fails to mention the application of 3rd party software.
3] joymax or the company has removed a vital section from a legal document without informing their users of such a change. it is cleraly stated that they will inform us of all changes to the TOS, they FAILED to inform us of deleting the part regarding how bots would be dealed with.

4] therefore the only conclusion one can arive 2 is that joymax by using under handed tactics and to preserve w/e dignity they may have left secretly removed any and all articles regarding the use of 3rd party applications; at the same time they fail to define illegal applications as 3RD party software/applications.

also the only one who can clear the air now, and fix the current anarchy is joymax themselves. Joymax is the only one who can tell us what is illegal and what isnt, but because they eliminated the part [section 3 of chapter 2 or 2.3 of the Tos] refering to bots and sofmod etc which were, at that time, cleary defined as illegal.

5] so what is the conclusion? well since they no longer define 3rd party sotware as illegal you cant according to that ToS which we all signed and hopefully read define botting as illegal; Therefore because of a serious lack of concrete explanations botting is legal Until Joymax reinstates section 2.3 of thier ToS, or bans a bot; i aint trying to log into a game where bots may do as they wish because of a korean companies hypocrisy.


i agree with this 100%


i also agree with this part as well
as i type this im sending an email to joymax informing them on what i find to be gross stupidity on thier part, as well as, a well stated thesis on why they should define illegal applications

- Barotix



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i told myself i wouldnt post in this thread, but my bro convinced me i left to much stuff in the air and as an srfer i must at all cost finish what i started + i love debates.

Ok.

Dude...how long did this take you to type all of that?

Oh and you have the wrong forum to be spamming, this is SRF not the Official Forums. Goto silkroadonline.net and spam like all the other little kids that are trying to make a difference in iSRO.

been brought up before...

there is no difference to be made, and did you even read what i wrote? i doubt it... pls read it b4 commenting, and im not spamming nor complaining. im simply bringing the truth to the general public of the isro community. it hurts so bad, when i noticed it was gone it really hurts damn jomax...

and i dont play isro anymore i play RYL, just thought this thread would be a final act of good will 4 those who may care

Thats interesting...
Never noticed it never would have

Well then I guess that's it.

didnt bother to read, to much stuff

Then why post?

Because.....

me too, couldnt bother to read all of it, but i am assuming it isnt saying botting is legal, rather it is probably someone misinterpreting the TOS and notifications to meet their conspiracy

so? wanna sue them? hire a lawer first

Because why? You like to spam?

you just told us something we knew all along...

sro supports botting because theyre the ones taking a profit from selling bot cards and gold...

Even if it's allowed, I dont expect u all turn into bots

She thinks it's really cool to be like the other kids and post inane and useless chatter that is not only irrelevant to the present topic, but counter productive to any anti-botting stance a legit player may attempt to present.

If joymax sold gold, they would not need to gold farm. They could make it within seconds by clicking a few buttons.

they do that too but theyre also taking profit from other gold selling companies..

lol, I agree?

9. Company has no responsibility to mediate between conflicts that arise between users or between the user and a 3rd party service or any responsibility toward any compensation for any problems that arise because of this.

if i understand this correct it has nothing to do with accepting bots or not but joymax will not be hold responsible if the 3rd party program you are using does any damage on your char or pc.

this is a standard rule in nearly each company TOS.

but you could at least shorten your whole topic by removing the copy paste of the TOS and just leave the link there maybe more people would read it and join the discussion


but this rule has nothing to do with accepting bots but rather be a safezone for joymax when things go wrong while people are experimenting with those 3rd party programs/services

the ToS has been CHANGED it is no longer the same, a major part regarding 3rd party sofware and how the Company shall deal with users that abuse such software has been eliminated. They knew most people dont check the ToS regulary so a small subtraction wouldnt even be noticed

@NB, its not a conspiracy theory at least you had to have read the original ToS [which i hope some1 has saved on thier comp]

Yeah, exactly -.-;

No offense, that idea is retarded. No game wants a third party to profit from their software. Dont confuse laziness with crackpot conspiracy theories.

i know and i do remember that one too, but guess half of the bug reports where complains for random things making the bot-bug report close to useless.
Joymax was probably like, **** this lets stop the whining and do what we want.

compare that to SRF TOS any bot accusation or bot talk even if its true is being deleted but SRF is still against bots right?, they still ban all the idiots who openly admit it, so there you go Joymax is still the same just changed of rule to lower certain problems.

So what? I didn't read it all =.=, but basically they removed anything saying bots or 3rd party programs are ilegal? >.>.


Thats pretty fkd up if so.

I'd hope everyone just bots and doesn't buy any silk -_-.

lol whiner will get banned?

They have also banned a lot of bots since the date that TOS was effective, so they are obviously still against them. June 12, 2007 was the last public ban.

[they recently changed the ToS, but to make sure no one noticed they change the left the date the same; which, is why i quoted the date to rienforce the sneaky tactic joymax used]

EDIT: i always forget to put y's after the when im writing they sry about that

They are not saying that bots are accepted but at same time they are not saying you cant use them either, so there is no reason to ban a bot now (isn't against any rule). Delete that paragraph is allow botting .

Now I really feel like an idiot.