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Well someone just told me about some problem involving Germany, the US and a possible atomic bomb in Iran, I checked in the news channels but I found nothing. The people that told me that are german and apparently it's in their news.. anyone knows if this is true?

They told me to check http://www.freenet.de but I can't understand german..

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World War III will be the Middle-East against the West

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"I do not know how World War III will be fought but I do know that World War IIII will be fought with sticks and stones." - Alebert Einstein

Just popped into my head when reading heroos post :roll:

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dam im in the middle of WW3 O,0

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World War III will be the Middle-East against the West


Uhmm what do you base this on?

At the moment the biggest thing that will probably lead to WW3 is the new pearl harbor.

In the Pursian Gulf the Americans have thier '5th fleet' based. Now, USA are trying to ridicule IRAN and hope they start to bomb the 5th fleet, who are getting closer and closer to them. If that does not work, big-brother USA will probably get ISRAEL to bomb IRAN in some sort of way, which in turn will lead to the 5th fleet being farked.

What happened when Pearl Harbor got bombed? Oh yeah USA participated in WW2. If the 5th Fleet gets bombed, this will mean an all out attack on IRAN.

Which in turn will bring RUSSIA into the frame seeing as they have close OIL ties with IRAN, and would not like to see ther stocks being raided by USA. Now, for the tricky bit...

CHINA ... they have quite allot of oil in IRAN so you would think they might defend. Hmm might be, but they also have a shitload of money invested in US stocks. And would only be screwed if they went down in value.

Don't believe it? --> http://www.opednews.com/articles/1/oped ... ative_.htm

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7089008.stm

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President George W Bush and visiting German Chancellor Angela Merkel say they will continue to seek a diplomatic solution to Iran's nuclear programme.

On Saturday, Mr Bush said the US would continue to pursue the diplomatic route to press Iran to change course.

"What the Iranian regime must understand is that we will continue to work together to solve this problem diplomatically, which means they will continue to be isolated," he told reporters at the ranch in Crawford.


As unlikely as it seems, something will happen. China is getting ready, seeing as one of thier subs popped up during a US naval show. ( Quite hilarious tbh ) and the Russians have suspended thier arms treaty. Making it easier for them to deploy people all over thier borders.


Oh and yes, I amn well informed. So before you call all of what I wrote above 'bullshit' please inform yourself.

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Politics is nothing anymore.


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World War III will be the Middle-East against the West


Uhmm what do you base this on?

At the moment the biggest thing that will probably lead to WW3 is the new pearl harbor.

In the Pursian Gulf the Americans have thier '5th fleet' based. Now, USA are trying to ridicule IRAN and hope they start to bomb the 5th fleet, who are getting closer and closer to them. If that does not work, big-brother USA will probably get ISRAEL to bomb IRAN in some sort of way, which in turn will lead to the 5th fleet being farked.

What happened when Pearl Harbor got bombed? Oh yeah USA participated in WW2. If the 5th Fleet gets bombed, this will mean an all out attack on IRAN.

Which in turn will bring RUSSIA into the frame seeing as they have close OIL ties with IRAN, and would not like to see ther stocks being raided by USA. Now, for the tricky bit...

CHINA ... they have quite allot of oil in IRAN so you would think they might defend. Hmm might be, but they also have a shitload of money invested in US stocks. And would only be screwed if they went down in value.

Don't believe it? --> http://www.opednews.com/articles/1/oped ... ative_.htm

Oh and as for what the OP requested:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7089008.stm

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President George W Bush and visiting German Chancellor Angela Merkel say they will continue to seek a diplomatic solution to Iran's nuclear programme.

On Saturday, Mr Bush said the US would continue to pursue the diplomatic route to press Iran to change course.

"What the Iranian regime must understand is that we will continue to work together to solve this problem diplomatically, which means they will continue to be isolated," he told reporters at the ranch in Crawford.


As unlikely as it seems, something will happen. China is getting ready, seeing as one of thier subs popped up during a US naval show. ( Quite hilarious tbh ) and the Russians have suspended thier arms treaty. Making it easier for them to deploy people all over thier borders.


Oh and yes, I amn well informed. So before you call all of what I wrote above 'bullshit' please inform yourself.



Thanks a lot, the only really useful reply >.>

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I'm guessing we (the US) have beef with Iran simply because we're allies with Israel. I don't see any other reason to get up their ass about nukes, everybody's got em these days. Well, then again our president is on some kind of democratic crusade it would seem, so that might be a good part of the cause too.

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I'm guessing we (the US) have beef with Iran simply because we're allies with Israel. I don't see any other reason to get up their ass about nukes, everybody's got em these days. Well, then again our president is on some kind of democratic crusade it would seem, so that might be a good part of the cause too.



Yup, it's all about Israel. Iran even made clear they have no intentions of starting something with the USA.

But yeah, Iran DO hate Israel tho lol. This whole situation is like a field of domino's, all that needs to happen is one fool to clip a domino and it all will be flarked.

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y can't nations just pvp online instead of aiming missiles at each other?

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y can't nations just pvp online instead of aiming missiles at each other?


Cuz George W. Bush would bot.

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Dont worry, WWIII wont be in any of our generation, let your grandchildren worry about it...

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Dont worry, WWIII wont be in any of our generation, let your grandchildren worry about it...


I can safely say .. You better hope you are able to have grandchildren after this happens within next few months/years.

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I watched a documentary about USA and China and China when china takes all its investments out the us economy it will crash .
im dutch and idk how to explain it in proper english. sorry

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destructionmama wrote:
y can't nations just pvp online instead of aiming missiles at each other?


Cuz George W. Bush would bot.


LOL most likely lol

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Hoping Sweden will be Neuteral in all of this, I dont want to get hurt :D

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Hoping Sweden will be Neuteral in all of this, I dont want to get hurt :D


Yea, im hoping countries such as, sweden and noreigan, portugal and hopefully spain will be neutral >.>.

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My country doesn't have a military.

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and then you'd all feel stupid :P


Because we're all still going to be here..... :P

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and then you'd all feel stupid :P


Because we're all still going to be here..... :P



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heroo wrote:
World War III will be the Middle-East against the West


Uhmm what do you base this on?

At the moment the biggest thing that will probably lead to WW3 is the new pearl harbor.

In the Pursian Gulf the Americans have thier '5th fleet' based. Now, USA are trying to ridicule IRAN and hope they start to bomb the 5th fleet, who are getting closer and closer to them. If that does not work, big-brother USA will probably get ISRAEL to bomb IRAN in some sort of way, which in turn will lead to the 5th fleet being farked.

What happened when Pearl Harbor got bombed? Oh yeah USA participated in WW2. If the 5th Fleet gets bombed, this will mean an all out attack on IRAN.

Which in turn will bring RUSSIA into the frame seeing as they have close OIL ties with IRAN, and would not like to see ther stocks being raided by USA. Now, for the tricky bit...

CHINA ... they have quite allot of oil in IRAN so you would think they might defend. Hmm might be, but they also have a shitload of money invested in US stocks. And would only be screwed if they went down in value.

Don't believe it? --> http://www.opednews.com/articles/1/oped ... ative_.htm

Oh and as for what the OP requested:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7089008.stm

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President George W Bush and visiting German Chancellor Angela Merkel say they will continue to seek a diplomatic solution to Iran's nuclear programme.

On Saturday, Mr Bush said the US would continue to pursue the diplomatic route to press Iran to change course.

"What the Iranian regime must understand is that we will continue to work together to solve this problem diplomatically, which means they will continue to be isolated," he told reporters at the ranch in Crawford.


As unlikely as it seems, something will happen. China is getting ready, seeing as one of thier subs popped up during a US naval show. ( Quite hilarious tbh ) and the Russians have suspended thier arms treaty. Making it easier for them to deploy people all over thier borders.


Oh and yes, I amn well informed. So before you call all of what I wrote above 'bullshit' please inform yourself.


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america is the superpower but now we have others becoming stronger

russia is getting pumped full of money with their oil, and I read that they reactivated their bomber patrols

iran is being a doof, but then america is like trying to piss them off so america has an excuse to attack iran

china shot a missle at a space satellite for a test (and they claim its for fun)

china has the largest standing army..
china is gathering much resources (like from africa where they support warlords)..
there are reports that china tried to hack into the CIA website..
there are reports that china is trying to modernize its army so it becomes as powerful as america..

basically, america has to be the only superpower in the world because if a non-democratic country gains superpower status, the world will be pretty much screwed. It will be like soviet union, but the entire world is under soviet influence. And if there is another superpower, we will have another kind of cold war shit

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0l3n wrote:
Hoping Sweden will be Neuteral in all of this, I dont want to get hurt :D


When isn't Sweden neutral? Somehow the are able to stay neutral in everything.

Jstar1 wrote:
america is the superpower but now we have others becoming stronger

russia is getting pumped full of money with their oil, and I read that they reactivated their bomber patrols

iran is being a doof, but then america is like trying to piss them off so america has an excuse to attack iran

china shot a missle at a space satellite for a test (and they claim its for fun)

china has the largest standing army..
china is gathering much resources (like from africa where they support warlords)..
there are reports that china tried to hack into the CIA website..
there are reports that china is trying to modernize its army so it becomes as powerful as america..


True China has the largest standing army, but numbers count for nothing in a modern day war. Maybe a hundred years or more ago numbers were superior, but now, when an entire nation can be blown off the map in the push of a button, numbers are meaningless. Bush ALWAYS has a briefcase with him (his aids carries it) that contains all the launch codes to the U.S's missles. So technically, the whole world is farked if he gets desperate enough to use them all.

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0l3n wrote:
Hoping Sweden will be Neuteral in all of this, I dont want to get hurt :D


When isn't Sweden neutral? Somehow the are able to stay neutral in everything.

Jstar1 wrote:
america is the superpower but now we have others becoming stronger

russia is getting pumped full of money with their oil, and I read that they reactivated their bomber patrols

iran is being a doof, but then america is like trying to piss them off so america has an excuse to attack iran

china shot a missle at a space satellite for a test (and they claim its for fun)

china has the largest standing army..
china is gathering much resources (like from africa where they support warlords)..
there are reports that china tried to hack into the CIA website..
there are reports that china is trying to modernize its army so it becomes as powerful as america..


True China has the largest standing army, but numbers count for nothing in a modern day war. Maybe a hundred years or more ago numbers were superior, but now, when an entire nation can be blown off the map in the push of a button, numbers are meaningless. Bush ALWAYS has a briefcase with him (his aids carries it) that contains all the launch codes to the U.S's missles. So technically, the whole world is farked if he gets desperate enough to use them all.


yes thats true, but its scary how powerful china is and how powerful they will be in the future. I'm sorry to say, but communist governments are not to be trusted. China has strict control over everything and once they are at comparable levels with america, there will be conflicts between them. What happened between US and soviet union? I doubt two superpowers can coexist, much less two superpowers with two different governments

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0l3n wrote:
Hoping Sweden will be Neuteral in all of this, I dont want to get hurt :D


When isn't Sweden neutral? Somehow the are able to stay neutral in everything.

Jstar1 wrote:
america is the superpower but now we have others becoming stronger

russia is getting pumped full of money with their oil, and I read that they reactivated their bomber patrols

iran is being a doof, but then america is like trying to piss them off so america has an excuse to attack iran

china shot a missle at a space satellite for a test (and they claim its for fun)

china has the largest standing army..
china is gathering much resources (like from africa where they support warlords)..
there are reports that china tried to hack into the CIA website..
there are reports that china is trying to modernize its army so it becomes as powerful as america..


True China has the largest standing army, but numbers count for nothing in a modern day war. Maybe a hundred years or more ago numbers were superior, but now, when an entire nation can be blown off the map in the push of a button, numbers are meaningless. Bush ALWAYS has a briefcase with him (his aids carries it) that contains all the launch codes to the U.S's missles. So technically, the whole world is farked if he gets desperate enough to use them all.


yes thats true, but its scary how powerful china is and how powerful they will be in the future. I'm sorry to say, but communist governments are not to be trusted. China has strict control over everything and once they are at comparable levels with america, there will be conflicts between them. What happened between US and soviet union? I doubt two superpowers can coexist, much less two superpowers with two different governments


well, lets see. When the soviet union became powerful and rivaled the US< we just started an arms war. The soviet union with its communist government could keep up with the US, and we plunged them into dept until their country crashed. I assume we can do the same with china, and with europe in a hopefully healthy state, it will be easier for capitalism to rise over communism once again. Communism will never work, it just CANT work. Maybe on a paper world its a utopia, but in reality, the human factor will **** everything up as usual.

Ill admit, the US is on a serious decline atm, but thats to be expected. Our military budget is far superior to anything any other country can or would put out. In the FiscalYear(FY) 2005, the U.S. military expenditures were just below 50% of the entire world, and in FY 2008, it is projected to exceed 50% of the global military expenditures. This is not to say that the military expenditure are all wise, productive, and successful.

Some of our greatest achievements include the USS Nmitz Class supercarrier (CVN_68), the tomahawk missile, and atomic powered submarines. There are so many more to add to the list as well.

The US also has some amazing blunders with our military budget. The National Missile Defense Program remains one of the more problematic and unjustifiable defense programs. Since concept development in 1983, close to $100 billion dollars has been spent, with limited success in tests. The system has failed in five out of 11 tests since 2004. Despite this poor record, 12 additional ground-based interceptor missiles are scheduled for deployment in 2007 and the program is forecasted to receive $10.4 billion in funding, a $1.7 billion increase over 2006.

The Raptor aircraft is an expensive weapon in search of operational relevance. Originally started in 1986 to contend with an adversary of comparable air power to the United States at a project cost of $149 million per aircraft, the Raptor has been repeatedly re-invented at escalating costs. The end result, costing $339 million per aircraft, is an aircraft too heavy for improved maneuverability, too large to be considered stealth, and only capable of carrying half the payload of the F-117 bomber. Although the Air Force currently owns 63 Raptors and has received authorization for another 40, they have yet to prove their capability in combat.

The Virginia Class Submarine was designed to ensure U.S. military undersea supremacy against an “advanced naval adversary”. The 2006 QDR suggests that China presents such a threat; but is doubtful that China would assert that power. Although the SSN-774 has been configured to fulfill multiple roles of current combat requirements, such as covert insertion and extraction of special operations personnel, tactical strike via Tomahawk Missiles, the same functions can be conducted in a more fiscally sane manner. The Navy has recently transformed four Trident submarines to conduct a similar role at a price half that of the $2.4 billion required to purchase one SSN-774. Additionally, since conversion requires the disposal of the nuclear weapons housed within, it is a step in the right direction toward downsizing obsolete elements of the U.S.’ nuclear arsenal.

For the upcoming fiscal year, the Bush administration proposes to spend nearly $17 billion on operating, maintaining, and modernizing its strategic and tactical nuclear forces. About $11 billion a year will go to operating, maintaining and modernizing the bombers, submarines, and missiles that carry the 6,000 operational nuclear weapons in the American arsenal, with the remaining $6 billion going towards maintaining the warheads. During the Cold War, the United States spent less than $4 billion a year on average on these nuclear weapons activities. It is estimated that reducing the weapons activities budget to its Cold War level by shifting to a deployed arsenal of 600 warheads with another 400 in reserve would generate $13 billion in savings.

Holy mother of god i put too much int his post.....(These excerpts are taken from a paper i wrote last year on the US military budget.) The whole point of what i put above is to show that the US IS the worlds super power, but at this rate, it is hard to say if at all it will remain in such a place at the head of the world. I can only hope we change our act quick so we are better prepared for the inevitable WW3 and maybe we can even prolong it if we can not eliminate it.

No matter how divided we may be on some issues like the Iraq war, i believe the great democracies of the world will always stand together against a common enemy, especially Communism.

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