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Euro's should be in parties no matter what. But what about Chinese characters? When is it best to start party grinding?

Lvl 20, because the real grinding kicks in here ...

Never. Its a waste of both pots and time. Party monsters have 8times the hp and give 4 times the experience of a nomal monster(I'm not sure about that 8.). They do twice as much damage. Chinese chars don't have taunts, they don't have clerics or bards, and they don't have the damage that wizards or rogues can supply. They were made to be solo chars.

near places with a high spawn rate (meaning more ppl) like bandit den, pennons, hyecheons , ongs, where a lot of ppl sp farm and grind. but at heycheons, there r too a lot of botters

can chinese join euro parties?

i agree with white snow.... only euros were really meant to lvl in parties together because euros have weak defense but combined they are very powerful

Yes they can.

I have to disaggree. If you have a full party of 8 characters, you can take down party monsters in a few seconds, not to mention the monster when getting raped by so many players attacks a different player every few seconds shortening pot usage. After the monster is down in a few seconds you get more exp than you would have killing reg monsters at the time.

Yep, and party mobs give more xp per person when the party is bigger.

The'd need to go after high level mobs also..

The experience per hour obtained from a chinese (or even a chinese+euro with majority chinese) party is lower than the experience per hour from solo grinding. Sure party monsters give 4 times and the experience, but the experience gets distributed evenly to all 8 party members* (thats half the experience of a nomal monster considering everyones the same level). Your party would have to kill normal monsters twice as fast (and with 1 hit nukers....thats not happening).

Your solution? Train on higher level monsters! Oh...but you won't be able to survive. Lets get some clerics into our party! Sadly, they don't want to join because they'll die since chinese chars don't have taunt and they'll get much more experience in a full euro party.

Bladers might be able to benefit from an all-nuker chinese party or something, but i doubt 8 people would party just to help a blader. Any chinese can also party with 6-7 other euro chars around their levels to level faster....but euro parties tend to only want euro chars.

The way euro parties work is to have someone (preferably a crossbow rogue) pull monsters to the party, then have the warrior (preferably one with a shield) taunt everything (the warrior damage skills in themself have a taunt effect too). If there are any warlocks, thats when they would use the damage over time spells. Debuffs are mainly for party giants because everything else dies so quickly. Wizards come in and kill everything in seconds with their nukes. The cleric heals the warrior. The bard supplies mp to the cleric and the wizards. Without at least a puller, a warrior tanker, 2 wizards, a cleric, and a bard a euro party becomes considerably less effective.

*If theres any exp bonus in a share party, its negligible because its distributed to 8 people.

when mob spawn < player grinding

I get in a share pt so I can still xp

i dont think they do twice the dmg.
giants do
but the exp is not worth it

Strongly agreed....

You guys have just been in bad parties.

Bad parties= waste of time
Good parties=good xp

I have been in some parties that were all glavie and blade, guess what they sucked. But.....

If you have at least 2 nukers the xp is pretty nice, and you can grind on higher lvl mobs if your careful.
If you have euros in your party that arent noobs from to much powerlvling it is even more effective.

Sure a pure euro party that grinds on mobs 10 lvls above will be better than a chinese party that grinds on mobs 3-8 lvls above, but...... it not a waste of time. You still can keep each other alive, help each other lvl.

For me it depends on my guildies

I get less exp when partying but its 10x more fun

dam I had a freaken multi paragraph post and I left out the most important part, that you managed to state in 1 sentence

8 chinese party...

heh... that wouldnt work too well, once nukers hit all the monsters go to them and they die, no warriors to draw attention

and who is going to save nukers? some full str force healer? he can't heal more than 1 person at time lol

seems like they all end up just soloing next to each other

but i dont mind partying with chinese people in euro party, they are still helpful as tankers... even pure ints tank well with auto pot and snow shield lol

8 Person Chinese party could work...

You don't need a healer since there is no auto pot delay.

Get at least 3 nukers for the party (for damage).

At least 1 bower (does not matter what build preferably an STR based because you have enough INT's, don't want half the party dying on the Tankers.)

At least 3 Glaviers or Bladers, for tanking.

Leave that one extra one if you have it to a Bower or Glavier/Blader.

oh trust me you do need a healer. pure str dies from too many party monsters at their level.

Indeed having nukers in a party may let you level faster (if you're a blader or something....), but the nukers would have their exp drastically reduced.

um, how does galvie/blader tank for nukers if monsters always trying to get to nukers... bladers would kd and nukers would be useless...

I agree with people up thurrrrrrrrrr ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

exp share for chinese is awful. I could get way more solo grinding.
Even with 5 nukers, it was crap.

But it screws up the aggro hard core so even with 51% protect form a warrior mobs get aggroed onto the nukers and healers. We used to allow some union members in our 3 man euro party, but we kept dying super fast because I was getting raped from weird aggro distribution. So now it's strictly euros only.

And the chinese don't know how to make a good party. It has to be full first of all, they have to stop trying to do the most dmg on 1 mob and keep using aoe attacks even if they are weaker, and they have to stick together so mobs crowd around them. The XP goes a little faster for bladers and glaviers, but for nukers it's slow because of the whole 10x hp, 4x xp deal. Nukers could level faster just grinding, unless the party kills 7-8 lvls higher mobs.

lol go to the first mole room in the caves and find bot exp share parties.

i went afk there in the hallway for like 2 hours.

When I need to Farm SP.

I find XP is faster solo grinding.

For SP, Share Party seems better.

Well ive been lvling on 8 man party on Generals and i think its really good.

and most players on the party are chinise well all the time lol

but some time we have some cleric buffing us since we dont have the 15sec thing they dont really need to heal us.

In Generals is best to have more nukers than any cuz glaviers kills so slow LOL i was in a party with all but me were glavie... was lvling so slow..

So its best to have at least 3 nukers the rest w.e.

@ -_- if you cared to check you'd realise high lvl force heal bounces so one could heal multiple people.
In general. pardon the pun, I will use 8 man chinese parties at generals (80 mob) as an e.g. Alot argue chinese don't have shouts to pull aggro what not off of nukers. Go do some experiments. You will discover it is extremely easy to pull aggro of of a nuker using any physical attack even if its much lower damage than what the nuker is doing. In most parties where everyone is present (which are very few) people even nukers rarely die, because most run to the rescue hit the mob once or twice an dpull it off. Rule of thumb with chinese moves (although they lack aggro% tooltips) stronger wep skill>wep skill>nukes in term sof aggro.
Another thing few take into consideration about 8 man as opposed to 4 man is when your by yourself especially in takla you will find yourself competing for mobs or wandering vast expanses looking for more mobs to kill. This drastically reduces your exp over time, HOWEVER in an 8 man pty mobs readily spawn, your ptymates swoop down, it's killed, another spawns, ad nausem. Much better exp over time.
Now a euro pty is mad, crazy, absolutely better, even if it's just warriors and wizards (witnessed it 1st hand), no doubt about that. Farming with chinese got me say 4k sp max at around 71-72, while with euros 5k easy in 3 hours.
All things said under certain circumstances chinese 8 man pties can be very good, and their hella fun. The 3 hours fly by if your in one thats going great.
P.S. any str worth his salt can tank at least 4-5 gens and s/s nukers 3
considering were all missing our 76+ 9th degree sets Id say thats damn good @ poster stating chinese fall under a couple pty mobs (who the hell doesnt lol)

Well, I haven't started yet, but since I'm gathering those blasted curst hearts, guess I'll join one just to take advantage and collect 'em faster =p

When I'm bored?