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nightbloom
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:53 am |
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cuchulainn wrote: Not sure what they'd do with a 69 Glavier or a 73 hybrid Int with no SoS/SoM/SoSun, hehe
The same things they did to the ones they didnt get anything off of already. Make it lvl 15+ murderer.
We have legitimate complaints. We have no way of legitimately expressing those complaints. JMs service has been less than satisfying, to put it mildly.
You shouldnt try and tell all these people that they are acting badly. Once JM blithely stated that everyone getting hacked wasnt their fault, that their site was secure when ANYONE with half a brain could go look and see that it wasnt, all bets were off.
JoyMax removed all traces of rules from it's TOS and replaced it with with, "Nothing is our fault" type language. They can hardly blame the players for not following the rules. lol They arent there anymore.
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kcyberbob
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:59 am |
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She comes to bann the spambots!
And she come in future more times (-:
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Wello27
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:32 pm |
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cuchulainn wrote: PileOfMush wrote: cuchulainn wrote: PileOfMush wrote: cuchulainn wrote: she* Yeah, but I'm pretty sure it's a *HE* in real life, so... idk Does it matter? GMs are people too, just trying to do their jobs, they don't need assholes or annoying kids bugging the shit out of them. TBH, GMs shouldn't ever really need to show themselves. It should be like WoW, GMs are never seen unless they're needed. They ARE needed. And... uh... did I spill your Cheerios or something? They're needed, but they aren't needed to be seen by anyone but maybe bots. Sitting around in town to please 12 year olds does nothing. And after spending a decent amount of time with some of the GMs irl, they're nice people and don't deserve to get shit on by everyone like they do.
STFU
GTFO
Not only do they deserve to get shit on, they deserve to get punched in the face. and kicked in the balls repeatedly.
NO ONE GIVES A FLYING SHIT IF THEY ARE NICE PEOPLE
WE ONLY CARE IF THEY ARE COMPETENT.
Who gives a shit if they are nice. Why should I care?
GMs who do nothing deserve nothing but kick in the balls, unfortunately these GMs don't have any. Guess we'll have to dump a few piles of sand in their vaginas and then punch them in the face
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Deacon
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:34 pm |
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kcyberbob wrote: She comes to bann the spambots! And she come in future more times (-:
Caiman
When will you tell her that AndyTheG is also a bot and he should be banned like all the others?
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sama98b
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:35 pm |
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Wello27 wrote: cuchulainn wrote: PileOfMush wrote: cuchulainn wrote: PileOfMush wrote: cuchulainn wrote: she* Yeah, but I'm pretty sure it's a *HE* in real life, so... idk Does it matter? GMs are people too, just trying to do their jobs, they don't need assholes or annoying kids bugging the shit out of them. TBH, GMs shouldn't ever really need to show themselves. It should be like WoW, GMs are never seen unless they're needed. They ARE needed. And... uh... did I spill your Cheerios or something? They're needed, but they aren't needed to be seen by anyone but maybe bots. Sitting around in town to please 12 year olds does nothing. And after spending a decent amount of time with some of the GMs irl, they're nice people and don't deserve to get shit on by everyone like they do. STFU GTFO Not only do they deserve to get shit on, they deserve to get punched in the face. and kicked in the balls repeatedly. They just work for jm, they got 0 control over anything. When the boss say they have to sit and do nothing, they have to sit and do nothing, or get fired. nightbloom wrote: JoyMax removed all traces of rules from it's TOS and replaced it with with, "Nothing is our fault" type language. They can hardly blame the players for not following the rules. lol They arent there anymore.
Yes the last week in sro and how jm acted showed that there are no more rules.
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Wello27
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:40 pm |
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Oh he is a nice person, but does absolutely nothing.
Oh they are trying so hard by doing nothing.
They deserve better treatment.
Cuchulain, your pro-GM posts deserve the whiniest, laughable posts on SRF.
I still don't care if they only do what Joymax Management says,
THEY ARE USELESS. THEY DO NOTHING. THEY DESERVE TO HAVE ANVILS CRUSH THEIR FACES.
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borat2
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:49 pm |
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Wello27 wrote: Oh he is a nice person, but does absolutely nothing.
Oh they are trying so hard by doing nothing.
They deserve better treatment.
Cuchulain, your pro-GM posts deserve the whiniest, laughable posts on SRF.
I still don't care if they only do what Joymax Management says,
THEY ARE USELESS. THEY DO NOTHING. THEY DESERVE TO HAVE ANVILS CRUSH THEIR FACES.
first of all calm down, this is just a game no need to get all psycho about it
its the community you need to blame since no one cares anyway only a few who do but hey dude money talks the bots buy silk they buy gold and therefor forcing people to buy premium, all in all money for joymax as long the money keeps coming joymax does not care.
you should be angry at your fellow players who frankly don't give a shit about enjoying the game and rather mess it up for the non silk buyers and anyone who actually love to grind.
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Disturbed
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:01 pm |
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I've talked to GM's and they're nice people when you talk
to them but this is how they fit with the game:
DR.GM "Sorry sir we left a scalpel in you and don't
want to take it out"
Patient "Thanks a lot...."
DR.GM "Just remember we're nice people..."
It's not our job to care about their personality, they work
for a company and they represent it, so they are who we complain to.
And this is a game...A international game on top of that, it's common
sense that there are going to be both immature adults and kids.
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iGod
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:13 pm |
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nightbloom wrote: cuchulainn wrote: Not sure what they'd do with a 69 Glavier or a 73 hybrid Int with no SoS/SoM/SoSun, hehe The same things they did to the ones they didnt get anything off of already. Make it lvl 15+ murderer. We have legitimate complaints. We have no way of legitimately expressing those complaints. JMs service has been less than satisfying, to put it mildly. You shouldnt try and tell all these people that they are acting badly. Once JM blithely stated that everyone getting hacked wasnt their fault, that their site was secure when ANYONE with half a brain could go look and see that it wasnt, all bets were off. JoyMax removed all traces of rules from it's TOS and replaced it with with, "Nothing is our fault" type language. They can hardly blame the players for not following the rules. lol They arent there anymore.
Explain how a guildie of mine, with a sun sword and shield etc. didn't get hacked, even though his email wasn't verified.. It wasn't JM's fault, no one should know your ID, that was some peoples mistake and JM just used that to answer the people who were whining about getting hacked.
I agree with everything cuchulainn said, but can't expect much from this sro community, they're kids mostly. And some people are just moronic by nature(e.g. Wello27 judging by his / hers post)... I couldn't get that into my head for some time
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sama98b
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:19 pm |
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iGod wrote: nightbloom wrote: cuchulainn wrote: Not sure what they'd do with a 69 Glavier or a 73 hybrid Int with no SoS/SoM/SoSun, hehe The same things they did to the ones they didnt get anything off of already. Make it lvl 15+ murderer. We have legitimate complaints. We have no way of legitimately expressing those complaints. JMs service has been less than satisfying, to put it mildly. You shouldnt try and tell all these people that they are acting badly. Once JM blithely stated that everyone getting hacked wasnt their fault, that their site was secure when ANYONE with half a brain could go look and see that it wasnt, all bets were off. JoyMax removed all traces of rules from it's TOS and replaced it with with, "Nothing is our fault" type language. They can hardly blame the players for not following the rules. lol They arent there anymore. Explain how a guildie of mine, with a sun sword and shield etc. didn't get hacked, even though his email wasn't verified.. It wasn't JM's fault, no one should know your ID, that was some peoples mistake and JM just used that to answer the people who were whining about getting hacked. I agree with everything cuchulainn said, but can't expect much from this sro community, they're kids mostly. And some people are just moronic by nature(e.g. Wello27 judging by his / hers post)... I couldn't get that into my head for some time
Do you want the link to the file containing all the id-s of all the users of all the servers ....
It is on the web, find it.
A sample file can be downloaded by everyone without the need for a big search ....
No one needs to know your id, it's in the list to find.
Ppl got the list when silkroadonline.net forum was bugged, and user database
could be accessed no matter if it posted on the forum before or not.
If you remember at the account settings had to chose a representer character for the site.
-Name(server)
So some got the full list.
Got patched but too l8.
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the_wicked
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:21 pm |
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lol nce, did he ban spammers?
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sama98b
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:27 pm |
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the_wicked wrote: lol nce, did he ban spammers?
They can't be banned, takes a few min to setup a new account and continue.
You can see that in how spamm bot names changing.
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the_wicked
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:28 pm |
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sama98b wrote: the_wicked wrote: lol nce, did he ban spammers? They can't be banned, takes a few min to setup a new account and continue. You can see that in how spamm bot names changing.
theyre always the same on greece -.-
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iGod
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:30 pm |
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sama98b wrote: Do you want the link to the file containing all the id-s of all the users of all the servers .... It is on the web, find it. A sample file can be downloaded by everyone without the need for a big search .... No one needs to know your id, it's in the list to find.
Ppl got the list when silkroadonline.net forum was bugged, and user database could be accessed no matter if it posted on the forum before or not. If you remember at the account settings had to chose a representer character for the site. -Name(server) So some got the full list.
Got patched but too l8.
All i remember was that if you quoted someone you could see the id :S
Well people will always find a way to get past security...
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sama98b
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:36 pm |
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Well I don't expect jm to do anything about bots and goldbots in isro.
Ksro their home game that is owned by the way by yahoo is just as same, and they can do nothing about it.
Bots make jm more money so .......
ps.:
Most likely gm come online because there was something unusual on few servers.
iGod wrote: sama98b wrote: Do you want the link to the file containing all the id-s of all the users of all the servers .... It is on the web, find it. A sample file can be downloaded by everyone without the need for a big search .... No one needs to know your id, it's in the list to find.
Ppl got the list when silkroadonline.net forum was bugged, and user database could be accessed no matter if it posted on the forum before or not. If you remember at the account settings had to chose a representer character for the site. -Name(server) So some got the full list.
Got patched but too l8. All i remember was that if you quoted someone you could see the id :S Well people will always find a way to get past security...
That was the first forum bug. The one after give full access to user database, no matter if posted or not.
It was like the member database here, a loong list.
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Jex
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:17 pm |
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the recent exploit events had a slight difference between them.
the first event you could take anyones account as long as you knew the ID of it.
whereas the second one after JM said "nothing's wrong with our site" the onyl targets were verified accounts.
but either way the only way you could have been hit was if someone had found out your ID. the majority of targets were hit and miss guesses. ID's the same as character names, with add a number or two.
demarthl123 could have been my old account, not far off.
some people got lucky, even though their ID was known to someone or some people they were ignored or forgotten about, wheras others were unexpectedly hit. Greed even overcame some people, imagine getting hit by someone you thought was a friend huh?
anyway, back on topic. I have no idea why this GM wanted to appear, drawing attention getting flamed and being begged by a couple hundred people is very annoying, obviously wasn't there to do work, they would have stayed in the invisible state if so
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Naigasakis_Rebirth
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:21 pm |
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cuchulainn wrote: fortroy wrote: cuchulainn wrote: PileOfMush wrote: I'm still not sure exactly why you're jumping all over me for the whole "he/she" thing... but uh... ok. I'm not exactly jumping on you more than I am everyone in game and on these forums for their general treatment and attitude towards the GMs. yeah well you got to spend time with them, not everyone on this forums did. looking at the game everyone has a right to treat them the way they are being treated now. ^^ You have to spend time with people to treat them as human beings?
yes, atleast 8 hours of personal time is required before treating them as humans
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ln
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 4:04 pm |
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so did GM do anything good for the game when he came online and visible to you?
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cuchulainn
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 4:07 pm |
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GMs have more to do than just ban bots.
The ones I've talked to also have to deal with chargeback and translating the game's updates from korean to english (not a small task). This along with having to maintain the website's information and forum.
The GMs were not responsible for any exploit on the website. They aren't coders, you can blame that on someone else. Their response to the reports can be criticized, but the blame for the actual problem in the site isn't their fault.
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MooMooMoo
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 4:31 pm |
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cin wrote: and im in school :[
Wth Cin is in Oasis??!?1 Whats your ign?
but on topic, yeah it was quite funny from all the global last night lol
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mosiac
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 4:55 pm |
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cuchulainn wrote: GMs have more to do than just ban bots.
The ones I've talked to also have to deal with chargeback and translating the game's updates from korean to english (not a small task). This along with having to maintain the website's information and forum.
The GMs were not responsible for any exploit on the website. They aren't coders, you can blame that on someone else. Their response to the reports can be criticized, but the blame for the actual problem in the site isn't their fault. GM's deal with charge back? WOW. you just shot yourself in the foot there. three weeks ago, I bought 150 silk, and it was charged back the next day. I then searched on this forum how to fix charge back exactly, and did so. ie, emailing paypal to send the money back to joymax, and get them to email one of joymax's email adresses ment for charge back. Guess what, my lv80 is still banned, been 3 weeks. A week after I had paypal email them, I started sending in 10 bug reports each day for a week. after a week I gave up. Customer service isn't supposed to be like this. Quote: Your account has currently been blocked from the game and from posting any messages on the homepage. Extra block related Chargeback Block Period : 11/9/2007 12:55 ~ 11/9/2107 12:55
gfg.
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:13 pm |
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i saw gm did a laugh action..nice 
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Shiver
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:04 pm |
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Maybe they came in to check on the in-game response to the incoming update.
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cuchulainn
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:05 pm |
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mosiac wrote: cuchulainn wrote: GMs have more to do than just ban bots.
The ones I've talked to also have to deal with chargeback and translating the game's updates from korean to english (not a small task). This along with having to maintain the website's information and forum.
The GMs were not responsible for any exploit on the website. They aren't coders, you can blame that on someone else. Their response to the reports can be criticized, but the blame for the actual problem in the site isn't their fault. GM's deal with charge back? WOW. you just shot yourself in the foot there. three weeks ago, I bought 150 silk, and it was charged back the next day. I then searched on this forum how to fix charge back exactly, and did so. ie, emailing paypal to send the money back to joymax, and get them to email one of joymax's email adresses ment for charge back. Guess what, my lv80 is still banned, been 3 weeks. A week after I had paypal email them, I started sending in 10 bug reports each day for a week. after a week I gave up. Customer service isn't supposed to be like this. Quote: Your account has currently been blocked from the game and from posting any messages on the homepage. Extra block related Chargeback Block Period : 11/9/2007 12:55 ~ 11/9/2107 12:55 gfg.
They are very strict about the chargeback, unless Paypal both gives them their money and Paypal tells them it's resolved they won't do anything. A large part of the problem is with Paypal. Talking with 1eyebandit, he had a problem with Paypal once and it took him almost a month to get it straightened out and unbanned.
I'm just saying when people whine, bitch and moan about GMs not being on 24/7 exclusively hunting bots, they're idiots. GMs have other responsibilities that aren't as noticeable by the masses. People also assume the GMs are in charge of things they are not (ie website security).
The GMs are only human with lives like the rest of us. They don't work 24/7 and I wouldn't expect them to. If the GMs I know tell me they're doing their best, I'll believe them, in the meanwhile, I won't be worrying about bitching at them for not spending all their time doing one facet of their job.
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mosiac
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:20 pm |
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funny thing is that I did all of that, also got an email back from Paypal saying that they did that. It's been about 4 weeks since I got that email.
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:39 pm |
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ln wrote: so did GM do anything good for the game when he came online and visible to you?
He walked around and would stand in different places for a while. Someone said he was banning spammers. If he was, they just came right back. When he went to DW, goldbots were walking right by him. He just stood there like he was So-Ok or something. If he was doing something useful, we couldn't tell. He cast his GM ring several times, did a few actions (laugh, greeting, etc) and spoke in the All channel every now and then. It was always something generic like "U Guyz have fun?"
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nightbloom
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:40 pm |
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i havent seen anyone deny their humanity. We all know they are human. All these people would much rather speak with a JoyMax customer service representative, but they have the same chance of meeting Snow White... Neither exist, both are fairy tales.
And iGod, Im so sick of reading what you just wrote.
Im gonna point out something to you. My ID for SRF is nightbloom and yours is iGod. So what? Most places use the ID as the screen name. Its not the part of your security that you generally have to worry about. Your security is your pw/email/secret question. Knowing a person's ID shouldnt mean ANYTHING. It is a testament to the incompetence of JM and how some people are such silly sheep to repeat JMs BS like that.
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 7:01 pm |
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The fact is with the GMs not being coders even if they have ideas they are still reliant on OTHER people to code and implement them so for all we know they may have ideas that simply arent being implemented due to ther factors that are out of their control.
I am with Cuch on this one the GMs do their job the best they could or else they wouldnt be doing it anymore, I mean its not like there are a shortage of people that they could be replaced by.
We know why they dont ban bots because they dont have the aurthority to. So why you keep blaming them for bots it just stupid, they are doing the best they can.
The more you complain about them the more you bug them when they are ingame the less time they have to do things that matter.
While I think they should come ingame every now and again and they should interact with the community alot more than they do like in the other SRO versions I cant blame them for not doing. I mean why would they when as soon as they are seen they are mobbed by people asking stupid questions. If I was them I would just stay invisible all the time.
Yes this game is far from perfect but so is everything in this world and you know why.... because it was made by humans and we arent perfect. Unless you can actualy add something usefull to the mix and offer an actual serious improvement other than simply " ban all bots" but also code it yourself then maybe you should stfu.
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mosiac
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 7:13 pm |
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Not really rev. GM's in perfect world respond on their official forums as well as ingame. Joymax is unique, there isn't another gaming company like them. as chuch said, GM's work specifically with chargeback issues, forum management, as well as translation issues.
well, they aren't helping much in the charge back issue, if you look at the official forums - I don't think they're doing too well there, and translation issues.. if you take away them helping with chargeback and keeping their forum clean, all GM's do is translate? I'm saying this because there are numerous people who have been banned for chargeback and have either had to wait multiple weeks, or are still banned to this day. Customer service should not be like this. We give them money and what do they give us? A game full of gold spammers and cheaters? non existance GM's?
All joymax has to do to stop botters is implement Gameguard, All they have to do to ban bots is go ingame and look at takla. They could even try buying gold from gold selling sites and then ban who ever sells it to them.
but yet they don't. And yet you still support them.
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DarkEagle
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 7:14 pm |
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Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 13
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nightbloom wrote: Im gonna point out something to you. My ID for SRF is nightbloom and yours is iGod. So what? Most places use the ID as the screen name. Its not the part of your security that you generally have to worry about. Your security is your pw/email/secret question. Knowing a person's ID shouldnt mean ANYTHING. It is a testament to the incompetence of JM and how some people are such silly sheep to repeat JMs BS like that.
I don't agree whit you it's apart whit the security .
First rules in evry game it is, Don't Use the same name on your character name and the same you have on your main ID
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