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aww I must have been at school when this happened

I love it how a topic about a GM in the server reaches 3 pages on a fansite. It's a pity a GM sighting is one thing not every person will see in their entire SRO life, unlike other games where GM sightings are normal.

silkroad happened to be my first mmo, and my main is my first char... now tell me where is that it states that i shudnt use the same name as my ID?

btw i started way back, back when troy started up...so i had no idea JM was this incompetent.

so pls enlighten me as to how i should have known...

oh wow a gm appeared and did shit

i was in WoC_SR worst guild i was ever in, i was donating the most gp and i gave the leaders money n stuff and i find myself banned. worst guild ever, i saw divinenuker in that pic, hes in the guild im in, but if anyone is planning on joining woc_sr ever your wasting ur gold and u will get banned out of the guild after all the hard work u help them.

The approach they're probably taking is to err on the side of caution as far as banning people for botting. They probably don't want to catch a bunch of legit people up in their sweeps.

In the world there is never a solution as simple as "do this and problem solved." You realize everytime Gameguard or SRO is updated, the bot makers are working to crack it to get their bot working again, right? There is always going to be a flaw to find eventually and exploited to make the bot work.

In WoW, there are multiple teams of people just to worry about customer relations, Community Managers (CMs) post on the forums (sort of like morningdew style). GMs are in game to assist with problems and collect bug reports. The developers and game coders are separate from these. Keep in mind Blizzard has many more resources than Joymax at this point. The Joymax GMs are doing their best with limited time and resources and from what I can tell, they're adding more people since there were more people buzzing around than last year at the tournament affiliated with Joymax.

Part of the problem however comes from the community. Crayon quit because the people in game and on the forums finally drove him away. He was a good dedicated GM who tried to lighten the mood whenever he could in game with his announcements and stuff. However, all the negativity from the player base while his hard work went unappreciated by the masses drove him away. Same deal with morningdew.

If everyone just continues to be negative all the god damn time, more people will probably quit. So take some time out to focus on the good things you've noticed the GMs do and appreciate that. If you see them in game, say "Hey thanks for [whatever it is you liked that they did]." It'll let them know their hard work is appreciated and reaffirm their drive to improve the game.

They didn't care that people got "hacked" - even when that was directly related to their lack of "security". That fact alone indicates that the reason for not banning bots, is because they don't care.

I don't see why you would say such a thing. It's clearly not true. Sometimes there are solutions.

You need to realize that Gameguard is disabled. Or at the very least, no significant functions to prevent third party programs are enabled.
The botmakers are not exploiting a flaw in the game per see. To say that they are emulating a normal client is probably more accurate.

What evidence or indications do you have to support this opinion?

Would you like to speculate as to what the underlying reasons for driving him away might be?

Clearly the number one problem in this game is bots. Did Morningdew ban enough many bots to make a significant difference? Did she regularly logon to the game and talked to the players? Did she ask people "show me where the bots are?" and then went there and banned them? Did she do anything other than post on the forums?

If i can find 100 bots in five minutes, why couldn't a GM?

Does it make a difference? How many bots were banned today? None? They could have a hundred people there doing nothing or none at all. It would all result in the same thing - an unsupported game.

I'm trying hard, very hard, to think of anything significant.

So when i see a GM and 50 bots running around in the background (this isn't even an exaggeration), i'm supposed to thank them? You can not possibly be serious.

There are solutions, but they are rarely simple.

I have talked to the GMs on multiple occasions. I know they work hard based on the conversations I've had with them.

Morningdew's job was to be the forum moderator and link for the forums to the company. She was driven away by people breaching her privacy and incessantly spamming and whining to the point of insanity.

Crayon quit because of the community. There is a post from awhile back on this forum that tells about it. I'm not sure where it is, but it's out there, find it if you need proof.

You can find 100 people you think are bots. To ban them, the GMs must go through a rigorous process and fill out plenty of paperwork.

That doesn't really explain why we had banlists full of gold bots for months and so few player bots banned. Granted they have to do a lot to ban a player, but the ratio of gold farmers banned to player bots banned is terrible.

From what I understood from when I played, the goldbots were usually run on clientless bots. You could run dozens on a single computer that way. They probably found a way to autodetect the gold bots, which resulted in massive bans whereas they still had to manually investigate player bots using the normal bot.

if they could detect clientless bots then why would we get banlists of only 20 or so gold bots. or better yet, why haven't we gotten a banlist in how many month? I don't know if the problem resides in the GM's or joymax itself.

errr why did you quote the pictures bullet >>

I think the image verification stops the clientless bots. So the goldfarming companies are most likely relying on computer farms of the normal bot, which uses sro_client.

image verification does not even stop 10 year olds.

image verification was cracked almost 5 months ago now. the only purpose it serves now is to piss people off.

i bet if i met the GM's in real life, got to know them, made friends with them, id be defending them too. but from a non bias view, the GM's are doing a piss poor job.

that comming from a guy who still supports joymax after a week of having his best friend hacked and rehacked and unhacked and rehacked due to there dumb flaws in joymax.com

joymax made a great game. everything after that has been 1 big dissapointment. maybe you should tell ur GM friends that. ass kissing wont fix SRO. they need to see the truth.

Maybe that's the problem, eh?

JoyMax thought enough of WoW's FAQ that they copied it. Why don't they copy some of the bot banning protocols?

If it really takes a "rigorous process" and requires GM's to "fill out plenty of paperwork," then there is absolutely no barrier to botting and nothing will ever change. Not that we didn't already know this, but JoyMax should stop with all the "we continue our war with the botters" shit and admit, "hey guys, screw it all, do whatever you want" because that's their de facto actions.

If anything, the GM's are JoyMax's flak-catchers: peons hired to listen to complaints and pretend to care while insulating their managers from any of that troubling "criticism" stuff. Shit, they're just a bunch of kids. Is there anyone over 25 in that office?

The best bet is for JoyMax to sell the iSRO franchise to a third party, as they did with the other versions. The problem is, they're driving the value of this company into the shitter with their poor management. I have a feeling quite a few silk-buying veterans moved on after the recent hacking events.

yea, but exploiting takes some time so its better than nothing





how can u be positive when company doesnt even value players spent time and money (refering to recent exploit and joymax actions)?

Good post Fly.

I'm in total agreement.

Asskissing the GMs won't fix anything nor will it change any of our opinions of them.

THey haven't done anything significant to be thankful of.

Cuchulain you keep talking about Crayon. Cry me a river. That guy quit over year and half ago now

Who gives a shit about Crayon. You know what he did? That's right he did nothing. He deserved every insult he reseived. If he couldn't do his job right and then couldn't handle the criticism, then it was good he quit, cause he sure isn't competent.

Significant to be thankful for?

THEY HAVEN"T DONE ANYTHING!!! NOTHING!!!

You like the 70 cap update? 80 cap update? Euro?

They wouldn't be in place without the work of the GMs.

I mentioned Crayon, because he was one of the GMs I met last year.

You people think the job is a Farking cakewalk and that everything you do as GM needs to be presented to the users as "This is what I did." This isn't how that shit works. The only thing you guys see is Bot lists every now and then and you don't even Farking appreciate that since no matter how big they are, people complain. You think because there are no bot lists means they haven't been banning botters? Maybe they just stopped giving a shit if they informed you about the people banned because the community would bitch and moan anyway.

To everyone shitting on the GMs for everything: Yes, they deserve some criticism, but to shit on them left and right and not acknowledge any of the work they do is just downright cruel.

You all keep basically saying that you could do a much better job. Really? Well Farking apply to Joymax already and put up or shut up.

LMFAO

Don't say anything bad about them unless you work for them? C'mon dude, now you're just sounding like an idiot. I've given them around $1,500. I don't expect them to make me dinner every night, but I do expect (at the very least) for my goddam account to be secure. I also expect them to follow through on their TOS. They haven't done either. So yeah, I'm gonna say they're incompetent. And no, I'm not going to send my resume.

LOL. yes, the GM's made the 70 cap and the 80 cap and euro. yup. they sat there and programmed the game.

no wait, they did NOT do any of that.

there job is simple. G (GAME) M (MASTER). that means you GET IN THE GAME and MANAGE IT!

WHOW! what a HUGE concept. Can your mind not handle that?

they dont programe the 70/80 cap. they dont implament euro. they dont handle customer support. they dont do money management. they dont do ANYTHING at all atm. They are paid to sit in the office and play silkroad. Do they? NOPE. 10 bucks says they are sitting in joymax building and playing WoW on there silk bought computers.

ban bots? thats a joke. even more funny due to the fact that a certin GM bots his/hers own character. opps, did i say that? inface, the biggest bot union on xian was started by a friend of a GM. rofl my waffle.

keep on ass kissing. maybe it will get you into next years GNGWCBLABLAWASTEOFTIME


joymax is slow and lazy as ...... i know that sooner or later, they will fix the problems, they always have. we can expect our accounts to be secure sometime next year. we can expect the bot problem to be fixed sometime in 2011. we can expect awesome customer service by 2018. oh i cant wait....

Players: Plz ban the bots!
Joymax: Here's the 70 cap =D =D

Players: OMFG BAN THE BOTZ!!
Joymax: Surprise Surprise, 80 cap is here!!!

Players: Wdf, look at him he's botting, ban him!
Joymax: Guys...CASTLE SIEGE IS HERE! =D =D

....
mmkayy?

And player do praise, give credits to joymax when it's due. Look at the last time there was a huge azz bot ban on all servers...the BIG BIG list...when was it..like last may or june or something..i recognized like 25-35 ppl on xian /bots getting banned (70+). Players praised JM/GM for it.

Translation work? do they need 3-6 months for a translation work for ONE update? I'm in game and im looking at my weapon called a Glavie..still a glavie...im such a bad azz glavier yo, it rymes with xavier..XMEN!

If you're a GM of a game and you can't tell the difference between a player and bot by their movements (or names like grgrgrgr8)...then..u know..phail. They don't ban bots because there's lots of paper work involved..dam seems like work to me. No wonder they aint goin shyt about it.

I'm surprised you just go and meet then at gngwc or whatever and they're like "we're really trying our hardest, my job is so hard seriously =(" and you're like omfg i feel sorry for you and you start seeing fairys, leprechauns and lolipops...

"Well Farking apply to Joymax already and put up or shut up."
A business #1 priority should be it's customers..i think..if i followed my business class is right =D =D, anyways you don't tell your customers to put up or shut up lolz. Even if we were hired by joymax, i doubt they would give us any rights. Look at the people in San Jose...i don't think they have any rights and all they do is report to the office in korea...whoop-dee-doo.

I'm not buying any of this "we're working hard" bs from the GMs. I ono about crayon but im sure MD tried to make a difference in sro but she couldn't do jack cuz she had no rights...and people weren't seeing any results..so flame away. Feel sorry for her though...

Don't forget..this game HAS been out for 2 years now...

I never said they programmed it. But I guarantee you there wouldn't have been any new content without the GMs. The iSRO GMs are the ones that translated the new content into english.

GNGWC was not a waste of time for me, it's been a fun experience and I'd love to go back.

I'm not trying to asskiss, I'm just trying to get other people to show a little bit of respect for some of the work the GMs do because after meeting them and chatting with them, they deserve it. They have at least 2 GMs I know that deal mainly with chargebacks.

I'm not saying you can't complain about it, I'm asking you to not say "it's so simple to fix, they just need to do this" because it's not that simple.

Just quit the Farking game already if all you're gonna do is bitch and moan about it. Instead of bitching all the time, I moved on and found another game I enjoyed and look back on my SRO time with nostalgia because I knew sitting around on forums and bitching about the service was a waste of my time.

Being a GM is by no means a glamorus job and I wouldn't wish it on anyone. I do however have plenty of respect for those that do the job because it is very difficult to get anything done with the amount of assholes and self-serving people in this world. One of the WoW CMs that I respected a lot quit his job because of how he saw the forum community treat him and others while jostling for buffs to their class or just being assholes. It's just sad to see good, dedicated people quit a job because the people they were working to help didn't appreciate them a god damn bit.

Cuchulain you must have a truck load of sand in your vagina.

I've never seen such whiny posts.

If you can't handle gamers, then you can't be a GM. What you think, if a GM does nothing, we are going to praise them and be thankful they do nothing?

GImme a farking break about this 2 GMs working on Chargeback. You can create a program to do that. Oh look, he chargeback, ban. Its that easy, you don't need to dedicate two GMs to do that.

BTW that's now a GMs job. So Joymax hires GMs to be accounts. Farking awsome dude.

Farking awsome. GM as Fly stated is a Game Master, not an account.

They do jack shit for this game. I don't give a shit about accountants, I give them my money, they give it to Joymax. Great, Now I want Customer Service from a GM.

Oops, GM is too busy looking at my money and doing nothing.

If you kiss ass anymore, you ought just have an Gargamel's ass implanted on your face so you can smell his farts and worship his shit.

The point is even if someone has your id, if their site isn't vulnerable
to sql injection or brute forcing then you should be safe. It's their fault
for releasing something that was unsecure, not peoples fault for using the
same name for id and ign.

**** it, I'm done with this.

Only took you about what like 10 posts?, Go kiss Joymax's ass some more.

listen to the man...to those whiners out there, quit SRO..dont even look back since all you guys do is whine & whine & whine........

seems now, every thread consists of bots and hatred towards GMs...

geez...quit if you cant handle it...why make a big fuss all over a f2p?

lol you need a life....come kiss my asss

You make change by complaining, If everyone just sits around
and keeps playing without saying anything the game is gonna get worse
and worse.

you do what you want to, But it is surely better don't have the same.

lol some of the guys on these forums defend the GM's way to much. You make it look like they sweat there balls off. They don't do a fu,cking thing from what I've seen. Unfortunately it is most likely not the GM's fault, probably an order from upper management.

Most of you fu,cks are 12 years old and never worked a day in your life!

And btw this game is not a fu,cking charity or volunteer organization. They make some solid cash off this game and there is no fuc,king excuse for any of the shit thats happened over the past few months!