Owning a rogue in a pvp is easy

zZh4ku · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 693 **Location:**

freeze workS... unless they are sub cleriC

Trice · **Posted:** Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:56 pm

soulreapr wrote:

Trice wrote:

im a nuker, i manage to eat rogues my own level by doin this:

Stand in middle all buffed and shiny. snow shield. icewall. as soon as the rogue destealths to dagger you, castle shield and nuke + kd, or nuke + shout x2 or nuke nuke shout, whatever is needed that can be done quick to kill the little fecker. nuke + kd is preferred coz due to their potting the stab pretty much kills them

if its an xbow rogue, their first destealth hit kills your ice wall, then castle shield + nuke followed by phantom kd stab

tada. dead rogues.

for wizard is same, just use fire shield ^_^

lol dont be so sure of your self, if your fighting a SMART euro, they would knock that castle shield or fire shield off you quicker then you knew what hit you and you still would be dead

I know, its why my other new char is a rogue ^^

If you cant beat them 100% of the time.... xD

Juey · **Joined:** Jun 2006 **Posts:** 786 **Location:**

BalkanFanaticS wrote:

Juey wrote:

However most of those counter-measure can easily be bypassed by having a partner. Someone to take off that Crystal wall, and let the prick begin

u mean 2v 1 .... of course u win lal

nah 2 vs 2, the other person on my team's only job is take down that crystal wall and distract the other guy, I can easily and fast enough take out sun glaivers before his mate maybe get 1 hit on me, and get out of there safely. Now it's 2 vs 1

us two versus that poor guy left.

I've tried this. Tried 1 vs 1 against Toxic a sun glaiver on my server, he kept his crystal wall up, near impossible to win. But then i asked for 2 vs 2, much better.
But of course out jobbing u cant use crystal wall, or u would be stuck in one spot.

XemnasXD · **Posted:** Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:02 pm

Trice wrote:

im a nuker, i manage to eat rogues my own level by doin this:

Stand in middle all buffed and shiny. snow shield. icewall. as soon as the rogue destealths to dagger you, castle shield and nuke + kd, or nuke + shout x2 or nuke nuke shout, whatever is needed that can be done quick to kill the little fecker. nuke + kd is preferred coz due to their potting the stab pretty much kills them

if its an xbow rogue, their first destealth hit kills your ice wall, then castle shield + nuke followed by phantom kd stab

tada. dead rogues.

for wizard is same, just use fire shield ^_^

Rouge/Cleric sub

b4hand cast bless/recovery division...
Heaven Flash switch to Xbow get out of nuke range commence the ownage of Snowshield use KB/KD skills until Caste Shield wears off and your done....

your strategy wouldn't work against any skilled rogue just all the idiots who rush into a fight without thinking. BTW all of those buffs are in place assuming a Rogue is coming. In gate PvP you never know when a Rogue will pop up so you mean to tell me you have those buffs on you constantly every time you walk out of the gate cause i find that hard to believe and in organized 1vs1 the above mentioned strategy would easily take out any nuker...

Crumpets · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 7800 **Location:**

soulreapr wrote:

Crumpets wrote:

soulreapr wrote:

yeah lets hear what you guys have to say how to stop a wizard? and dont forget a wizard has invisilble, KB at almost 100%, root, and fear both at 80%, oh yeah dont forget teleport (I have 18m), and that always loved fire/lava trap.

Easy .... Firewall? LOL

lol not that easy, i just use a plain attack and knock it off you then 1 hit you anyways, a wizard got alot longer attack distance and then after its off, use lightning knock them back which cancels your atack and then hit them with meteor, and with meteor lvl 76(not even 80 skill) it does 16k damage to a lvl 80 str, and firewall, thats not beating them thats just sitting there waiting, what happens if they wait for you to attack?

Well, let's see a wizard knockdown my firewall and then me thumping 5 arrows into your head. Which will be sufficient to kill you with life turnover on. If you ain't got that on you won't ever kill me anyways : s

ShadowSpell · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 884 **Location:**

Aby wrote:

soulreapr wrote:

yeah lets hear what you guys have to say how to stop a wizard? and dont forget a wizard has invisilble, KB at almost 100%, root, and fear both at 80%, oh yeah dont forget teleport (I have 18m), and that always loved fire/lava trap.

Anyone who has ever played a wizard will tell you knockback is more like 500%, and fear is more like 30%. Idk why anyone would ever use root..

well 500% you have 6 hits with each being a 80% chance of a kb, so unless your very unlucky a kb is almost a given, with fear, you cant be trying to use lvl 6 fear on a lvl 80 or it wont work 80% of the time, I have tested it with my lvl 8 fear and about 8 out of 10 times it works. Root is nice when fighting glaviers, I root them first, tele back, turn on life turnover, put fear on them and then 2 hit them, I mainly do that when its a glavier with sun gear, everyone else is fear, life turnover, maybe lightning and then meteor.

ShadowSpell · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 884 **Location:**

Crumpets wrote:

soulreapr wrote:

Crumpets wrote:

soulreapr wrote:

yeah lets hear what you guys have to say how to stop a wizard? and dont forget a wizard has invisilble, KB at almost 100%, root, and fear both at 80%, oh yeah dont forget teleport (I have 18m), and that always loved fire/lava trap.

Easy .... Firewall? LOL

lol not that easy, i just use a plain attack and knock it off you then 1 hit you anyways, a wizard got alot longer attack distance and then after its off, use lightning knock them back which cancels your atack and then hit them with meteor, and with meteor lvl 76(not even 80 skill) it does 16k damage to a lvl 80 str, and firewall, thats not beating them thats just sitting there waiting, what happens if they wait for you to attack?

Well, let's see a wizard knockdown my firewall and then me thumping 5 arrows into your head. Which will be sufficient to kill you with life turnover on. If you ain't got that on you won't ever kill me anyways : s

its called fear or kb take your choice, either 1 I would hit you 2 times before you could hit me=dead

Crumpets · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 7800 **Location:**

soulreapr wrote:

its called fear or kb take your choice, either 1 I would hit you 2 times before you could hit me=dead

How would that work :s.

If I'm not in safe zone I'm quite aware of my surroundings. If a wizard pops out and does his KB skill. Then I'll bust out a fast casting 5 arrow combo or anti devil bow.

I doubt even with your extra hp / phy defense you can survive that with life turnover from me. Ok If you feared me that's a different story I'd be kissing dirt but if not I'm afraid you're down : s

ShadowSpell · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 884 **Location:**

Crumpets wrote:

soulreapr wrote:

its called fear or kb take your choice, either 1 I would hit you 2 times before you could hit me=dead

How would that work :s.

If I'm not in safe zone I'm quite aware of my surroundings. If a wizard pops out and does his KB skill. Then I'll bust out a fast casting 5 arrow combo or anti devil bow.

I doubt even with your extra hp / phy defense you can survive that with life turnover from me. Ok If you feared me that's a different story I'd be kissing dirt but if not I'm afraid you're down : s

im not saying the wizard will win every time, but they can make the rest of your day miserable.

90% of the time (and I pvp all the time) a wizard can easily get 2 hits off before they can get hit and if a wizard does meteor, lightning(KB), and the earth you will get hit 3 times before you have the chance to hit them once and by the way fear IS a 80% probabilty meaning you will lose 80% of the time just if he is using that skill

I understand how people are so sceptic about what a wizard can do, but you do have to remember that a wizard has the fastest skills other then lion shout, but why question is what lvl r u? and if you are lvl 80 have you ever fought a lvl 80 wizard with lvl 80 skills?

Crumpets · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 7800 **Location:**

soulreapr wrote:

im not saying the wizard will win every time, but they can make the rest of your day miserable.

90% of the time (and I pvp all the time) a wizard can easily get 2 hits off before they can get hit and if a wizard does meteor, lightning(KB), and the earth you will get hit 3 times before you have the chance to hit them once and by the way fear IS a 80% probabilty meaning you will lose 80% of the time just if he is using that skill

I understand how people are so sceptic about what a wizard can do, but you do have to remember that a wizard has the fastest skills other then lion shout, but why question is what lvl r u? and if you are lvl 80 have you ever fought a lvl 80 wizard with lvl 80 skills?

Oh I fully fully understand a wizard can win. A friend of mien has a lvl 80 wiz. I don't think he has the light nuke tho. ... and to PvP a wiz it's just bleh too 50/50 for my likings.

Oh and I am : http://dbrev6.shacknet.nu/player.asp?id=20690

strangelove · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 1255 **Location:** no

That's why I never job alone. o.O

My rogue friend and I use various strategies for killing hunters which, so far, have mostly positive results.

One way is by Scorn. We both alternate scorn on opponents to cancel out their skills repeatedly. We try doing KD with Blast Shot until targets are knocked down, then follow up with Mortal Wounds and maybe Combo Blow once they get up. Timing is essential though. If one of us messes up, one of us ends up not making it. =P (We're both 72, and usually fighting level 80 hunters.)

Thing is though, Oasis hunters usually return with mercs. :/

ShadowSpell · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 884 **Location:**

Crumpets wrote:

soulreapr wrote:

im not saying the wizard will win every time, but they can make the rest of your day miserable.

90% of the time (and I pvp all the time) a wizard can easily get 2 hits off before they can get hit and if a wizard does meteor, lightning(KB), and the earth you will get hit 3 times before you have the chance to hit them once and by the way fear IS a 80% probabilty meaning you will lose 80% of the time just if he is using that skill

I understand how people are so sceptic about what a wizard can do, but you do have to remember that a wizard has the fastest skills other then lion shout, but why question is what lvl r u? and if you are lvl 80 have you ever fought a lvl 80 wizard with lvl 80 skills?

Oh I fully fully understand a wizard can win. A friend of mien has a lvl 80 wiz. I don't think he has the light nuke tho. ... and to PvP a wiz it's just bleh too 50/50 for my likings.

Oh and I am : http://dbrev6.shacknet.nu/player.asp?id=20690

just a helpful hint, if he doesnt have lightning, he really need to get it, that one of the skills that allows me to hit someone 3 times instead of 1

ShadowSpell · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 884 **Location:**

Fug_Dup wrote:

That's why I never job alone. o.O

My rogue friend and I use various strategies for killing hunters which, so far, have mostly positive results.

One way is by Scorn. We both alternate scorn on opponents to cancel out their skills repeatedly. We try doing KD with Blast Shot until targets are knocked down, then follow up with Mortal Wounds and maybe Combo Blow once they get up. Timing is essential though. If one of us messes up, one of us ends up not making it. =P

Thing is though, Oasis hunters usually return with mercs. :/

jobbing with a euro in a party rocks, the other day me a lvl 80 glavier were in thief suits waiting for yarkan to spawn, he was by the mages and I was in the arena when a lvl 80 sun sword and sun shield hunter found him, he just let me know he was coming, I went invisible and when he got by me he turned and started fighting and I hit them with a meteor and thats the end of the story, we do that all the time with job war at east gate, I go out a ways and then they lead 1 or 2 to me and I wipe them out.

foudre · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 3604 **Location:**

Trice wrote:

im a nuker, i manage to eat rogues my own level by doin this:

Stand in middle all buffed and shiny. snow shield. icewall. as soon as the rogue destealths to dagger you, castle shield and nuke + kd, or nuke + shout x2 or nuke nuke shout, whatever is needed that can be done quick to kill the little fecker. nuke + kd is preferred coz due to their potting the stab pretty much kills them

if its an xbow rogue, their first destealth hit kills your ice wall, then castle shield + nuke followed by phantom kd stab

tada. dead rogues.

for wizard is same, just use fire shield ^_^

i beg to differ, how many rogues are dumb enough to attack when you are like that

XMoshe · **Posted:** Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:16 pm

soulreapr wrote:

Fug_Dup wrote:

That's why I never job alone. o.O

My rogue friend and I use various strategies for killing hunters which, so far, have mostly positive results.

One way is by Scorn. We both alternate scorn on opponents to cancel out their skills repeatedly. We try doing KD with Blast Shot until targets are knocked down, then follow up with Mortal Wounds and maybe Combo Blow once they get up. Timing is essential though. If one of us messes up, one of us ends up not making it. =P

Thing is though, Oasis hunters usually return with mercs. :/

jobbing with a euro in a party rocks, the other day me a lvl 80 glavier were in thief suits waiting for yarkan to spawn, he was by the mages and I was in the arena when a lvl 80 sun sword and sun shield hunter found him, he just let me know he was coming, I went invisible and when he got by me he turned and started fighting and I hit them with a meteor and thats the end of the story, we do that all the time with job war at east gate, I go out a ways and then they lead 1 or 2 to me and I wipe them out.

wouldnt work with me cuz I never go after people when jobbing..atleast, when its a gatefight hehe..

PS: how is your dmg as a hybrid mage?

Pham · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 541 **Location:**

easy to beat euro, ice wall snow shield and castle

Alterran · **Posted:** Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:24 pm

yea kd and freeze them freeze works good if you try twice seeing as tey have really bad pot time they can only use pills shortly ^_^ btw rogues rnt good vs bladers

ShadowSpell · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 884 **Location:**

XMoshe wrote:

soulreapr wrote:

Fug_Dup wrote:

That's why I never job alone. o.O

My rogue friend and I use various strategies for killing hunters which, so far, have mostly positive results.

One way is by Scorn. We both alternate scorn on opponents to cancel out their skills repeatedly. We try doing KD with Blast Shot until targets are knocked down, then follow up with Mortal Wounds and maybe Combo Blow once they get up. Timing is essential though. If one of us messes up, one of us ends up not making it. =P

Thing is though, Oasis hunters usually return with mercs. :/

jobbing with a euro in a party rocks, the other day me a lvl 80 glavier were in thief suits waiting for yarkan to spawn, he was by the mages and I was in the arena when a lvl 80 sun sword and sun shield hunter found him, he just let me know he was coming, I went invisible and when he got by me he turned and started fighting and I hit them with a meteor and thats the end of the story, we do that all the time with job war at east gate, I go out a ways and then they lead 1 or 2 to me and I wipe them out.

wouldnt work with me cuz I never go after people when jobbing..atleast, when its a gatefight hehe..

PS: how is your dmg as a hybrid mage?

I really like hybrid, I can survive hits that a lvl 80 dies from but I still hit really hard, I do make sure all my items are int 5 though giving me a 106% mag balance, I only have lvl 76 skills and right now a normal STR glavier I hit for 16-17k and with my buffs on I can survive a soul spear souls or emperor, and if the glavier has lower lvl skills like lvl 72 I can take a soul spear soul and mars unless theres a crit in there, yeah maybe I might not be able to 1 hit everyone that I might have been able to if I was pure but still 90% of the people are still 1 hits exept lvl 80 pure strs are 2 hits, but i survive more now too

NOOB_THIEF · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 99 **Location:** USA

Hmm

okie try this and tell me easy to kill rogue. Have you ever meet a Rogue/Warlock in PvP, well he doesnt need to stealth on you. He just debuff you and then kill you

PS: in jobwar and guildwar no count coz that 's different.

XCaosX · **Posted:** Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:56 pm

Crni tell us how to kill a dam rogue before he got u xDD

anyway i say it's almost impossible to kill a rogue,coz they got super-mega-hyper crit :banghead:

....lvl 77rogue 1 hitted lv 80 full sosun armor guy...25k :shock:

crit,no zerk...
maybe full sosun blader can survive coz hp and shield extra defense...but i think it's so hard for normal pll with no sosuns. :roll:

ShadowSpell · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 884 **Location:**

unless there fighting an INT rogue, which in that case someone just made a very bad build, a lvl 80 rogue has 20k hp and it would take alot of hits to take off 20k considering they get to pot once and are probly using vigor potions too

WhereIsOsama · **Joined:** Oct 2007 **Posts:** 305

XemnasXD wrote:

Trice wrote:

im a nuker, i manage to eat rogues my own level by doin this:

Stand in middle all buffed and shiny. snow shield. icewall. as soon as the rogue destealths to dagger you, castle shield and nuke + kd, or nuke + shout x2 or nuke nuke shout, whatever is needed that can be done quick to kill the little fecker. nuke + kd is preferred coz due to their potting the stab pretty much kills them

if its an xbow rogue, their first destealth hit kills your ice wall, then castle shield + nuke followed by phantom kd stab

tada. dead rogues.

for wizard is same, just use fire shield ^_^

BTW all of those buffs are in place assuming a Rogue is coming. In gate PvP you never know when a Rogue will pop up so you mean to tell me you have those buffs on you constantly every time you walk out of the gate cause i find that hard to believe and in organized 1vs1 the above mentioned strategy would easily take out any nuker...

I always cast ice wall when outside. I agree that not many do it, but I actually sit out there looking for them because there are a few who like to follow me and Prick the hell out of me no matter what time of the day.

Test007 · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 547 **Location:**

How to defeat a rogue:

-Cast a Frost wall.

-He attacks you, the stealth will have no more effect, your wall will dissapear, cast Ironwall shield, and have fun KD n Stabing the little stealthier.

Blade represent!.

XemnasXD · **Posted:** Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:14 pm

Test007 wrote:

How to defeat a rogue:

-Cast a Frost wall.

-He attacks you, the stealth will have no more effect, your wall will dissapear, cast Ironwall shield, and have fun KD n Stabing the little stealthier.

Blade represent!.

Are there even Ice bladers anymore....and btw just because your not killed in the first attck doesn't mean the second one won't kill you and again you forget about xbow which can easily just KB and KD the shit out of the blader until ironwall goes down...then what....

ShadowSpell · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 884 **Location:**

it does really bother me the wizards/rogues that use stealth/invisible and then run out and kill someone and then run right back to safe, and do it over and over to the people that are trying to pvp, when i'm out pvping and someone keeps killing me over and over every 5 seconds then I will do it but we have a guy on our server thats all he does is run back and forth from safe zone just killing people to be a prick.

Pham · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 541 **Location:**

XCaosX wrote:

Crni tell us how to kill a dam rogue before he got u xDD

anyway i say it's almost impossible to kill a rogue,coz they got super-mega-hyper crit :banghead:

....lvl 77rogue 1 hitted lv 80 full sosun armor guy...25k :shock:

crit,no zerk...
maybe full sosun blader can survive coz hp and shield extra defense...but i think it's so hard for normal pll with no sosuns. :roll:

dont think so, my old lvl 80 char no sun bad garm +4 could kill an 80 rogue jsut with iron wall snow shield and 72+5 shield

XemnasXD · **Posted:** Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:17 pm

soulreapr wrote:

it does really bother me the wizards/rogues that use stealth/invisible and then run out and kill someone and then run right back to safe, and do it over and over to the people that are trying to pvp, when i'm out pvping and someone keeps killing me over and over every 5 seconds then I will do it but we have a guy on our server thats all he does is run back and forth from safe zone just killing people to be a prick.

plz don't turn this into a whining topic....ppl have been running out of the gate interrupting PvP and running back in the gate WAY b4 euros came along...

XMoshe · **Posted:** Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:20 pm

soulreapr wrote:

XMoshe wrote:

soulreapr wrote:

Fug_Dup wrote:

That's why I never job alone. o.O

My rogue friend and I use various strategies for killing hunters which, so far, have mostly positive results.

One way is by Scorn. We both alternate scorn on opponents to cancel out their skills repeatedly. We try doing KD with Blast Shot until targets are knocked down, then follow up with Mortal Wounds and maybe Combo Blow once they get up. Timing is essential though. If one of us messes up, one of us ends up not making it. =P

Thing is though, Oasis hunters usually return with mercs. :/

jobbing with a euro in a party rocks, the other day me a lvl 80 glavier were in thief suits waiting for yarkan to spawn, he was by the mages and I was in the arena when a lvl 80 sun sword and sun shield hunter found him, he just let me know he was coming, I went invisible and when he got by me he turned and started fighting and I hit them with a meteor and thats the end of the story, we do that all the time with job war at east gate, I go out a ways and then they lead 1 or 2 to me and I wipe them out.

wouldnt work with me cuz I never go after people when jobbing..atleast, when its a gatefight hehe..

PS: how is your dmg as a hybrid mage?

I really like hybrid, I can survive hits that a lvl 80 dies from but I still hit really hard, I do make sure all my items are int 5 though giving me a 106% mag balance, I only have lvl 76 skills and right now a normal STR glavier I hit for 16-17k and with my buffs on I can survive a soul spear souls or emperor, and if the glavier has lower lvl skills like lvl 72 I can take a soul spear soul and mars unless theres a crit in there, yeah maybe I might not be able to 1 hit everyone that I might have been able to if I was pure but still 90% of the people are still 1 hits exept lvl 80 pure strs are 2 hits, but i survive more now too

hmm..nice : )

but I will stay pure anyway

strangelove · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 1255 **Location:** no

Test007 wrote:

How to defeat a rogue:

-Cast a Frost wall.

-He attacks you, the stealth will have no more effect, your wall will dissapear, cast Ironwall shield, and have fun KD n Stabing the little stealthier.

Blade represent!.

Easy solution-

Switch over to crossbow and destroy the ice wall from far away. While the blader casts Ironwall Shield, commence KB/KD attacks and keep a distance. As soon as the shield buff is down, buff and kill the blader.

All this time I've been rogue, I've found bladers are the least likely to kill me. Just today I fought a level 80 blader (me being 72) and crit him for 23k before he had a chance to phantom to safe zone. He then commenced to argue that I had Euro buffs on. :roll:

xKingpinx · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 2153 **Location:**

ice wall for rogue fire wall for wizard...

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