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hmm..nice : )

but I will stay pure anyway


you might really want to consider picking up cleric as a subclass, I have bard to lvl 20 for a little more speed when the moving speed scrolls are all gone and then my cleric is at lvl 57 right now, if you really want to annoy someone, last night I was pvping a lvl 72 glavier and buffed my self and left my rod and shield on and just sat there and healed myself, I let them do there best on me for about 2 minutes and then switched back to staff and 1 hit him.


hmmm...bard got some nice phy/mag dmg absorp and I like the speed + noise...

dunno if I should go cleric =/

absorption buffs only work while harp is out.


he's right the only thing that I am aware of that is useful to a wizard is noise and speed, thats why my bard is at lvl 20 just for a little extra speed, but there are 3-4 buffs in cleric you can have on while fighting as a wizard, I would highly recommend picking up cleric for you subclass, plus it is nice to be able to heal party members and res them with reverse oblivion if they die, which just makes them into one HUGE tanker if there a str.


hmm I dunno...what buffs are those then? (bless spell and holy word, what are the others?)

and I gotta recalc then what to get lol... =/

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Ohnoes too much reading. Well I know a way, but wont tell u.

OMG U HAVS TEH SECRET HACKZPLIZ TELL MEN ... :roll:

Seriously, press "5" to activate iron wall isn't the hardest thing to figure out.

Erm... ppl were right, it's all about blocking their 1st strike. Do a crystal wall and it will absorb the 1st hit, then do iron wall and 2nd book of frost nova. He's dead meat after all that shit. Whoever is saying ironwall itself can save u from a good rogue IS WRONG. If the chain gets several crits, u r dead anyways. And whoever is thinking a snow shield might help too, IS WRONG. Two crits will drain all ur mana, and u wont be able to attack and u'll be a sitting duck. U gotta freeze the biatch, and dont let him hit u 1st.

Ofcourse, that is all possible on pvp only. Why? Cuz u r expecting it. Try it in a trade. U'll nevah know rogue is there before it kills an elephant, or you, his choice. A smart rogue wont attack when the guy is expecting it.
Still, I'm saying - rogues r fun and cool and all that, but a rogue cant take on a whole party. It can kill one or two. What I'm feared of is a wizard.

That's pretty much it. Now, how to stop a wizard? lol :)


Well what lvl cristal wall u need to take the hit? Lvl 1 is enough? Btw i saw a pic about lvl 78 bowman, who survived zerked 90k offering with fire mountain or something like that.


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yea the wall absorbs 1 skill and then it breaks.
even then, its hard to kill a lvl 80 int cleric, they can heal themselves constantly until the offering cooldown's over, then just glare at you to bind you...

then ya kno, offering death.

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Cant find it but i know that it's up in this forum somwhere, so if any1 know where that is repost it here.


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http://www.google.com

actually i have no idea what you're trying to find.

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Pic where lvl 78 bowman survived zerk offering with fire mountait lol


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I dont get the whole fuss. So some builds have stealth. Every build has 1 skill that gives it an advantage over other builds.

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XMoshe wrote:
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hmm..nice : )

but I will stay pure anyway


you might really want to consider picking up cleric as a subclass, I have bard to lvl 20 for a little more speed when the moving speed scrolls are all gone and then my cleric is at lvl 57 right now, if you really want to annoy someone, last night I was pvping a lvl 72 glavier and buffed my self and left my rod and shield on and just sat there and healed myself, I let them do there best on me for about 2 minutes and then switched back to staff and 1 hit him.


hmmm...bard got some nice phy/mag dmg absorp and I like the speed + noise...

dunno if I should go cleric =/

absorption buffs only work while harp is out.


he's right the only thing that I am aware of that is useful to a wizard is noise and speed, thats why my bard is at lvl 20 just for a little extra speed, but there are 3-4 buffs in cleric you can have on while fighting as a wizard, I would highly recommend picking up cleric for you subclass, plus it is nice to be able to heal party members and res them with reverse oblivion if they die, which just makes them into one HUGE tanker if there a str.


hmm I dunno...what buffs are those then? (bless spell and holy word, what are the others?)

and I gotta recalc then what to get lol... =/


Im sorry maybe someone can help me out cause im at work and dont remember the name of them, one is the hp recovery one that looks like 2 fingers touching and puts the glowing ball over your head, lol someone help me out here.

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soulreapr wrote:
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hmm..nice : )

but I will stay pure anyway


you might really want to consider picking up cleric as a subclass, I have bard to lvl 20 for a little more speed when the moving speed scrolls are all gone and then my cleric is at lvl 57 right now, if you really want to annoy someone, last night I was pvping a lvl 72 glavier and buffed my self and left my rod and shield on and just sat there and healed myself, I let them do there best on me for about 2 minutes and then switched back to staff and 1 hit him.


hmmm...bard got some nice phy/mag dmg absorp and I like the speed + noise...

dunno if I should go cleric =/

absorption buffs only work while harp is out.


he's right the only thing that I am aware of that is useful to a wizard is noise and speed, thats why my bard is at lvl 20 just for a little extra speed, but there are 3-4 buffs in cleric you can have on while fighting as a wizard, I would highly recommend picking up cleric for you subclass, plus it is nice to be able to heal party members and res them with reverse oblivion if they die, which just makes them into one HUGE tanker if there a str.


hmm I dunno...what buffs are those then? (bless spell and holy word, what are the others?)

and I gotta recalc then what to get lol... =/


Im sorry maybe someone can help me out cause im at work and dont remember the name of them, one is the hp recovery one that looks like 2 fingers touching and puts the glowing ball over your head, lol someone help me out here.


recovery division.

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I miss the days where i was fighting people 1vs1 and everyone was watching without interference :(


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MrFudge wrote:
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hmm..nice : )

but I will stay pure anyway


you might really want to consider picking up cleric as a subclass, I have bard to lvl 20 for a little more speed when the moving speed scrolls are all gone and then my cleric is at lvl 57 right now, if you really want to annoy someone, last night I was pvping a lvl 72 glavier and buffed my self and left my rod and shield on and just sat there and healed myself, I let them do there best on me for about 2 minutes and then switched back to staff and 1 hit him.


hmmm...bard got some nice phy/mag dmg absorp and I like the speed + noise...

dunno if I should go cleric =/

absorption buffs only work while harp is out.


he's right the only thing that I am aware of that is useful to a wizard is noise and speed, thats why my bard is at lvl 20 just for a little extra speed, but there are 3-4 buffs in cleric you can have on while fighting as a wizard, I would highly recommend picking up cleric for you subclass, plus it is nice to be able to heal party members and res them with reverse oblivion if they die, which just makes them into one HUGE tanker if there a str.


hmm I dunno...what buffs are those then? (bless spell and holy word, what are the others?)

and I gotta recalc then what to get lol... =/


Im sorry maybe someone can help me out cause im at work and dont remember the name of them, one is the hp recovery one that looks like 2 fingers touching and puts the glowing ball over your head, lol someone help me out here.


recovery division.


yes thank you, and I do believe there is anouther one but I have to get in the game to find it, but plus your able to heal your self and party members and res other people too. and when your a cleric there is 2-3 more buffs you can put on your self but do dissapear when you take off the cleric rod.

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and for all of you people saying to kill a wizard put up castle or firewall, especially the str people, do you guys know what lava trap does, if someone puts that up on me, I set a lava trap right in front of them then move back, take off their shield with my longer casting ability and then when they move forward to attack me with a nuke or a str attack, you land right in the middle of a 439% trap layed for you which = dead.

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you can cast those phy/mag def on you but it will go away as soon as you switch weapon

and you really making me doubting my wizard/bard descision =/

(PS: would be so kind to make a screen of your skills if you got the time and pm me them (or post =]) thx in advance

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Way to kill a euro wiz:

Well, i'm a rogue and this is how i kill a wiz in pvp cape...though the concept can work for jw as well.

1) find the wiz
2) tab him
3) stealth
4) if he goes invisible, trace him using the tab mark on the map
5)a. he will get paranoid with the arrow above his head and start running around or he will forget about it
b. stealth lasts longer than invisible- as soon as he reappears, u know where to find him
c. if in party, get chinese person to cast the invisible debuff on where you are standing, making sure you are positioned right next to the wiz
6) as soon as you can see him- prick

There has been occasions when wizards have become smarter and planted traps.

Luckily, rogues can see these traps, so make sure you avoid it, and use xbow when he reappears instead of walking into a trap -_-''

That is how a I personally take care of the wiz =) leme know other ways too! =)

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Way to kill a euro wiz:

Well, i'm a rogue and this is how i kill a wiz in pvp cape...though the concept can work for jw as well.

1) find the wiz
2) tab him
3) stealth
4) if he goes invisible, trace him using the tab mark on the map
5)a. he will get paranoid with the arrow above his head and start running around or he will forget about it
b. stealth lasts longer than invisible- as soon as he reappears, u know where to find him
c. if in party, get chinese person to cast the invisible debuff on where you are standing, making sure you are positioned right next to the wiz
6) as soon as you can see him- prick

There has been occasions when wizards have become smarter and planted traps.

Luckily, rogues can see these traps, so make sure you avoid it, and use xbow when he reappears instead of walking into a trap -_-''

That is how a I personally take care of the wiz =) leme know other ways too! =)


I think thats the funniest thing I have ever heard, you spend all that time to pvp a wizard and bring chinese into just to find them, it sounds a little far fetched to me, and since when can rogues see those traps thats new to me, your full of it on that one, since I ALWAYS use traps for the rogues that go stealth and then prick you and run back to safe.

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Way to kill a euro wiz:

Well, i'm a rogue and this is how i kill a wiz in pvp cape...though the concept can work for jw as well.

1) find the wiz
2) tab him
3) stealth
4) if he goes invisible, trace him using the tab mark on the map
5)a. he will get paranoid with the arrow above his head and start running around or he will forget about it
b. stealth lasts longer than invisible- as soon as he reappears, u know where to find him
c. if in party, get chinese person to cast the invisible debuff on where you are standing, making sure you are positioned right next to the wiz
6) as soon as you can see him- prick

There has been occasions when wizards have become smarter and planted traps.

Luckily, rogues can see these traps, so make sure you avoid it, and use xbow when he reappears instead of walking into a trap -_-''

That is how a I personally take care of the wiz =) leme know other ways too! =)


I think thats the funniest thing I have ever heard, you spend all that time to pvp a wizard and bring chinese into just to find them, it sounds a little far fetched to me, and since when can rogues see those traps thats new to me, your full of it on that one, since I ALWAYS use traps for the rogues that go stealth and then prick you and run back to safe.


Please refer to the Stealth series for a rogue, and in particular- DESTEALTH and INTENSIVE DESTEALTH trees. Here's a description of the skill:

Enables you, using your inner concentration, to temporarily spot an enemy who is in stealth state by picking up his traces in the dark. You can also find fire and lava traps planted by an enemy. You cannot spot those whose stealth levels are higher than your destealth level.

-Please note Fire and Lava traps-

With regards to having chinese char to debuff, that is option C...there is always option A and B. Either to wait it out until the invisible buff finishes, or to wait when they are least expecting it.

All 3 options are viable in my opinion, and works. The only advantage is, you know where the wiz is at all times, whilst they dont have a clue where you are.

Perhaps you fought with people who did not have a high enough lvl of destealth, or more likely, 10 lvls lower than you.

Fortunately for me, you are full of it this time.

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5hadow wrote:
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Way to kill a euro wiz:

Well, i'm a rogue and this is how i kill a wiz in pvp cape...though the concept can work for jw as well.

1) find the wiz
2) tab him
3) stealth
4) if he goes invisible, trace him using the tab mark on the map
5)a. he will get paranoid with the arrow above his head and start running around or he will forget about it
b. stealth lasts longer than invisible- as soon as he reappears, u know where to find him
c. if in party, get chinese person to cast the invisible debuff on where you are standing, making sure you are positioned right next to the wiz
6) as soon as you can see him- prick

There has been occasions when wizards have become smarter and planted traps.

Luckily, rogues can see these traps, so make sure you avoid it, and use xbow when he reappears instead of walking into a trap -_-''

That is how a I personally take care of the wiz =) leme know other ways too! =)


I think thats the funniest thing I have ever heard, you spend all that time to pvp a wizard and bring chinese into just to find them, it sounds a little far fetched to me, and since when can rogues see those traps thats new to me, your full of it on that one, since I ALWAYS use traps for the rogues that go stealth and then prick you and run back to safe.


Please refer to the Stealth series for a rogue, and in particular- DESTEALTH and INTENSIVE DESTEALTH trees. Here's a description of the skill:

Enables you, using your inner concentration, to temporarily spot an enemy who is in stealth state by picking up his traces in the dark. You can also find fire and lava traps planted by an enemy. You cannot spot those whose stealth levels are higher than your destealth level.

-Please note Fire and Lava traps-

With regards to having chinese char to debuff, that is option C...there is always option A and B. Either to wait it out until the invisible buff finishes, or to wait when they are least expecting it.

All 3 options are viable in my opinion, and works. The only advantage is, you know where the wiz is at all times, whilst they dont have a clue where you are.

Perhaps you fought with people who did not have a high enough lvl of destealth, or more likely, 10 lvls lower than you.

Fortunately for me, you are full of it this time.


so your trying to tell me that in the split split second you see a wizard when his invisible is about to wear off and he puts it on again you can locate him, click on him and kill, you must have the fastest reaction time in this game, and I still think its funny you go through all this to try to kill a wizard, and the agruement was how a chinese kills a wizard, and by the way, I have lvl 8 stealth/invisible detect which can be used when im invisible (doesnt make me visilbe when i use it), so yes I can see you too

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Way to kill a euro wiz:

Well, i'm a rogue and this is how i kill a wiz in pvp cape...though the concept can work for jw as well.

1) find the wiz
2) tab him
3) stealth
4) if he goes invisible, trace him using the tab mark on the map
5)a. he will get paranoid with the arrow above his head and start running around or he will forget about it
b. stealth lasts longer than invisible- as soon as he reappears, u know where to find him
c. if in party, get chinese person to cast the invisible debuff on where you are standing, making sure you are positioned right next to the wiz
6) as soon as you can see him- prick

There has been occasions when wizards have become smarter and planted traps.

Luckily, rogues can see these traps, so make sure you avoid it, and use xbow when he reappears instead of walking into a trap -_-''

That is how a I personally take care of the wiz =) leme know other ways too! =)


I think thats the funniest thing I have ever heard, you spend all that time to pvp a wizard and bring chinese into just to find them, it sounds a little far fetched to me, and since when can rogues see those traps thats new to me, your full of it on that one, since I ALWAYS use traps for the rogues that go stealth and then prick you and run back to safe.


Please refer to the Stealth series for a rogue, and in particular- DESTEALTH and INTENSIVE DESTEALTH trees. Here's a description of the skill:

Enables you, using your inner concentration, to temporarily spot an enemy who is in stealth state by picking up his traces in the dark. You can also find fire and lava traps planted by an enemy. You cannot spot those whose stealth levels are higher than your destealth level.

-Please note Fire and Lava traps-

With regards to having chinese char to debuff, that is option C...there is always option A and B. Either to wait it out until the invisible buff finishes, or to wait when they are least expecting it.

All 3 options are viable in my opinion, and works. The only advantage is, you know where the wiz is at all times, whilst they dont have a clue where you are.

Perhaps you fought with people who did not have a high enough lvl of destealth, or more likely, 10 lvls lower than you.

Fortunately for me, you are full of it this time.


so your trying to tell me that in the split split second you see a wizard when his invisible is about to wear off and he puts it on again you can locate him, click on him and kill, you must have the fastest reaction time in this game, and I still think its funny you go through all this to try to kill a wizard, and the agruement was how a chinese kills a wizard, and by the way, I have lvl 8 stealth/invisible detect which can be used when im invisible (doesnt make me visilbe when i use it), so yes I can see you too


oh? you have lvl 8 stealth detect? so you are a wiz/rogue?...if thats the case, il LOL at you now.

If you are referring to the wiz skill "detect"..then im sorry to tell u, but ur full of it, again. Please read the description more carefully. it detects invisible only.

Well, you ask about the practicality of the split second a wiz reskills. If you ever played a rogue, you will know that the action prick will not cancel if i have clicked you, and pressed the action key. In other words, as long as i have clicked u and pricked, even if you become invisible, my skill will not be interupted and it still hits you.

With a tab on ur head, not only do i know where you are, i know which direction you are facing. it's easy to predict when you will de-invisible.

In jw, i find that my main purpose is to kill the wiz/garment wearers as they do a lota mag dmg. So if you were to ask me if i would go to the trouble of taking out a wiz like this, yes, and in all honesty, it is not that troublesome. With pure str and other pure int chars, rogues have the element of suprise. Our head tab takes away this element for wiz players.

To give u an idea of how effective this method is, i am lvl 64, and i can repeatedly kill a lvl 80 int wiz. no crit, no zerk. just plain 7-8k+ 1hit ko dmg with a lvl 64 dagger.

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no skill show soulreapr? pwease ^___^

and I dont think bard is a waste fudge, you just dont like bard as a support class

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i have a bard subclass =) as you prob tell, my character is a hit and run type =p

it's about stalking a prey, and when he least expects it, you unleash hell on their ass like there was no tmw...then scud the hell outa there! :D

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what magical time was this...ppl have been interrupting my cape fights since i started this game over a year ago...

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There are no gurantee way to beat rogues but there are some things you can do to increase survivablity.

You're really pushing your luck if you're attempting to beat a rogue as a pure str in garms. Better get started on a pro set. Armor would significantly increase your chances of winning, though. For a pure int, not much you can do but get mana shield as high as possible and hope you kill them before a crit.

Cast ice wall. From my experience, almost 90% of the rogues will kamikaze out of safe zone and prick the wall. Main reason for ice wall is to remove their element of surprise and neutralize their passive that increase their attack power from an attack that destealths them. Should be an easy kill.

Play smart. Use your strongest attack then follow with your strongest fast attacks. Nukers = Nuke + shouts. Glaiver users = Soul Spear + ghost spears. Maybe toss in a ghost walk or something.

Mana shield always helps. Prick has a bit of start up time before it actually makes contact. Soon as the rogue appears using prick, cast mana shield. You may have time to use it before an attack from a xbow user reaches you too.

If they don't have CE or DD activated, they shouldn't be much of a problem.

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lol just get a shield with like a sweet br and pray to god it blocks :D

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lol just get a shield with like a sweet br and pray to god it blocks :D


+1 haha :D

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i have a bard subclass =) as you prob tell, my character is a hit and run type =p

it's about stalking a prey, and when he least expects it, you unleash hell on their ass like there was no tmw...then scud the hell outa there! :D


scud yeah...what a great skill *daydreams*

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XMoshe wrote:
5hadow wrote:
i have a bard subclass =) as you prob tell, my character is a hit and run type =p

it's about stalking a prey, and when he least expects it, you unleash hell on their ass like there was no tmw...then scud the hell outa there! :D


scud yeah...what a great skill *daydreams*


do what you want for a subclass, from what ive seen is cleric has more benifits as a subclass then bard, and bless spell saves your life all the time, as i said prior i'm at my office so I would have to check on all the skills, but you can have bless spell, recovery division and holy word on all at once when your a wizard and when you have the cleric gear on you can buff yourself with body bless and soul bless also and I do think there is anouther one also but cant remember, plus you can heal yourself, what can you all do with bard skills thats benifits a wizard besides noise and speed? and noise only benifits you when your grinding, and since you 1 hit mobs so really what good does it do? when you get high lvl you have a hard enough time trying to find a steady amount of mobs and not trying to keep them away

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XMoshe wrote:
5hadow wrote:
i have a bard subclass =) as you prob tell, my character is a hit and run type =p

it's about stalking a prey, and when he least expects it, you unleash hell on their ass like there was no tmw...then scud the hell outa there! :D


scud yeah...what a great skill *daydreams*


do what you want for a subclass, from what ive seen is cleric has more benifits as a subclass then bard, and bless spell saves your life all the time, as i said prior i'm at my office so I would have to check on all the skills, but you can have bless spell, recovery division and holy word on all at once when your a wizard and when you have the cleric gear on you can buff yourself with body bless and soul bless also and I do think there is anouther one also but cant remember, plus you can heal yourself, what can you all do with bard skills thats benifits a wizard besides noise and speed? and noise only benifits you when your grinding, and since you 1 hit mobs so really what good does it do? when you get high lvl you have a hard enough time trying to find a steady amount of mobs and not trying to keep them away


I'd really appreciate it if you want to check it for me when you get back home from work <3

but I really think noise helps...because you will grind on mobs who are higher lvl (alot probably) so you would be a 1hit, maybe 2hit...so I would have to keep looking around if there isnt any mob spawning behind me etc...what wouldnt be a prob with noise :)

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