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WhereIsOsama
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 5:46 am |
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Fuhito wrote: sama98b wrote: 95% of the game are bots have to face it. Jm not risking of losing paying customers. No bot ban in the last 6 month, and even before then.
Jm wants to lose the non paying freeloades by locking the cap down and not leting them login.
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ps.: Forgot to say, JM even changed the game rules ..... Please stop making up numbers and saying Joymax gets payed off to keep bots to make your point look valid. The only two reasons you can safely assume why Joymax doesn't ban bots is without making shit up: 1. Not enough man power. Even in kSRO bots are found and banned by hand. 2. Why would they? No legits quit or even make an effort to protest so why bother? But you can go on making crazy conspiracy theories and think that if companies like Blizzard can't stop Gold companies that Joymax must have so much power they need to be paid off. ... oh wait, thats right, people just keep making shit up.
Well I guess we can assume people believe everything without using an extra brain cell.
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ineedhelp
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 6:06 am |
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boast wrote: heck, I think I might start botting too. 
u might want to
a )say just joking
b)edit your post
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bLuE_fLaMe
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 6:18 am |
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boast wrote: heck, I think I might start botting too. 
if any1 didn't get wat he meant, he means that he'll bot so he doesn't get banned
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PR0METHEUS
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 10:41 am |
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tyfly wrote: Well who knows. maybe there hasn't been a bot because they were busy updating fortress, i notice that JoyMax either does a huge bot ban (which takes time) or does an update, last time it was bot ban this time it was an update, so Maybe will see and bot ban coming in the near future.
It shouldn't take much time to do a bot ban, at least for the gold bots. How much time does it take to stand at Donwhang west gate next to the spot where the gold bots all stop for a moment and continue on their way (or any other gold bot "checkpoint") and click, ban, click, ban, click, ban.
Travel around various places like the ongs in hotan, see 3-5 players, all dressed exactly the same, same weapon, running synchronized in the exact same path RIGHT next to each other, all attacking the same mob, at the exact same time with the same skills... no legit player could ever do that without screwing it up.... click, BAN!
See the pile of 10-30 characters all standing in the exact same spot next to any of the NPCs (pot lady, blacksmith, stables...) Legits would have a really hard time doing that. Click, BAN!
And as for sorting the list in alphabetical order by server, if they click-ban a bot, the database should already know what server the bot is on, and what their user ID is. It should be as simple as a scripted sorting routine that should be able to sort hundreds or thousands of records in seconds. It seems trivial to write a script, or SQL stored procedure that sorts these names and generates an HTML document listing their names by server.
Now how can that take so long? Even the "massive bot ban" announcement could be scripted so the GMs don't have to compile it themselves.
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CLOT
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 10:49 am |
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clientless goldbots are not ONLY used by gold selling companies
in fact they are not really expensive, and more widely used than u all think
i'm told in game by a fren that he pay less for a clientless bot per month than his isro bot (personal use, he doesnt sell gold or what) , ard USD $15-20 per month for clientless
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Poochu
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 11:02 am |
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Your logic is completely wrong.
Maybe gold bots wont pimp their gear, buy astral and whatnot.
But a regular player who bots is just like a legit, but theyll probably buy more silk to be more powerful. and theyll pimp their weapons and gear, as theyll be high on server and want to get higher.
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Renton
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 11:04 am |
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If you ran a game and most of your paying customers were bots. Would you ban them and lose 90% of your income?
Granado Espada made an in game bot just to aviod the bot issue. <-- Smart but still.. lol.
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PR0METHEUS
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 11:10 am |
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Poochu wrote: Your logic is completely wrong.
Maybe gold bots wont pimp their gear, buy astral and whatnot.
But a regular player who bots is just like a legit, but theyll probably buy more silk to be more powerful. and theyll pimp their weapons and gear, as theyll be high on server and want to get higher.
Yes, a player bot will often buy just as much silk as a legit, or more, but player bots don't make up a majority of the server population (I would think). Gold bots overwhelm the server. If you block the 2,000 gold bots (again, they don't buy much silk) on a 3,000 capacity server, that's 2,000 slots that could be filled with real players that will buy a lot of silk.
True, the slots could be filled with 2,000 player bots, but from a money perspective, that should at least potentially get joymax more profit.
People *might* not feel as much of a need to bot if they don't have 2,000 gold bots KSing them in their grinding spot... maybe.
_________________ Missing the good times in SRO... 
SRO: 1x, STR Blader (Thebes) 54, STR blader (Venice) 0x, INT wizard (Venice) 19, INT spear (Venice) 34, STR rogue/bard (Venus) 0x, STR blader (Venus) 8x, INT bard/cleric (Gaia)
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Mythoz
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 11:34 am |
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Gameguard is not jsut a picture or somthing, my old bot wotn be able to launch cuz its blocked now.
at least that what i think, i havent used it in a long long long time
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she_Berzerk
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 11:43 am |
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SRO game developers need to keep a healthy population of gold botters.
Obviously to make more real money by (1) gold selling and (2) silk sales so SRO players can log-in with ease.
Gold botters or gold farmers are what keeps the server fully traffic 24/7.
Removes gold botters and all the work to put 20+ servers of iSRO would go to waste.
So they do it for the money, its always for the money... and nothing else matters.
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Speedy
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 11:58 am |
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sama98b wrote: menos wrote: Quote: Joymax doesnt ban botters because they make money off of em.... that is so wrong, i hear this so much. lets go through some numbers. average botter purchase a gt or pt and maybe a monkey - so $25 a month. now botters are online 24/7. now think about a average player that buys silk. i think that 1/2 of players that stay till the cap buy silk, but not only do they buy pt and a monkey, they buy astrals and sp relocations and suits. so that may average $35 a month, but the difference is that the average player is on 4 hours a day average. so that $105 a month for the average player compared to $25 a month for the botter as every slot the botter takes up, could be filled in theory by 6 players (4 hours each 24 hours in a day, 6 timeslots, half of 6 is 3 (average amount of players that buy silk) so 3 times 35 is 105) and lets say there are 1000 botters on a server, thats $105 000 revenue from legit players, compared to the $25000 revenue from botters, so tell me, which would you prefer. LOL Go back to school  Your logic fails at every point there. ps: Legit 1 = Can't afford to pay anything. So joymax makes servers full so he can't even login and leaves. Jm could raise server cap to 10k like other mmo game. Legit 2 = Gets some silk every month. Jm tolerates them but they want them to pay minimum for pt every month to login, if not they can't login. Non legit 1 = El cheapo, gets cracked bot and no dc client. Will get keyloged and lose his account sooner or l8r. They were in the ban list most time, client gets updated often so these gets locked out most time, and next client that cracked will most likely gets keyloged. Non legit 2 = Buys silk every month to login and to pimp gear. Buys the bot, and those companies pay % to jm in some ways. Buys gold to afford max gears, and those companies pay jm % too. So in the end where is JM gets the most money ? ....
+1 Completely agree with what you said. Botters also get more drops etc because there botting all the time so they get drops to sell to the rest of the sro economy that might need it. And the Major server traffic issues imo are from the Gold bots...

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MrH
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 2:39 pm |
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It's so unfortunate that some people are so pro-legit there head gets clouded.
-Excluding gold bots, the majority of the server are player bots.
-Player bots that pay for iSRO bot cards have alot of money to spend on silk and gold (generally).
-People buying gold = more gold bots = more premium tickets
-Joymax will not ban playerbots because like I said they are the majority on the server, and spend the most silk.
-The game is corrupt because
a)Joymax fails to keep the game clean
b)Mashing keys for hours a day is not fun (maybe it's fun or some??)
c)Majority of server bots and buys silk, so why would joymax be so fckin dumb to ban the bot population and have about 100legit players per server?....tell me you think if all servers were whiped from player and gold bots, that playerbots will come back and grind to the cap by hand?? hell no!!!!
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Barotix
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 3:01 pm |
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MrH wrote: It's so unfortunate that some people are so pro-legit there head gets clouded.
-Excluding gold bots, the majority of the server are player bots. -Player bots that pay for iSRO bot cards have alot of money to spend on silk and gold (generally). -People buying gold = more gold bots = more premium tickets -Joymax will not ban playerbots because like I said they are the majority on the server, and spend the most silk. -The game is corrupt because a)Joymax fails to keep the game clean b)Mashing keys for hours a day is not fun (maybe it's fun or some??) c)Majority of server bots and buys silk, so why would joymax be so fckin dumb to ban the bot population and have about 100legit players per server?....tell me you think if all servers were whiped from player and gold bots, that playerbots will come back and grind to the cap by hand?? hell no!!!!
1] agreed
2] agreed
3] agreed
4] plausible
5] game is corrupt because:
a] agreed
b] if its not fun, then why are do people bot? you seem to fail to realize that player bots are more addicted to this game then your everyday legit.
c] refer to B; as we have seen on Venus botters are 100% willing to handgrind when they can't use their bot anymore. Maybe you wern't here when Euro arrived, but i remember Easy, and Populated servers + Crowded old servers once in awhile. That shows that without gold bots; players would gladly log in, and handgrind. As a Matter of Fact the days following Euro people we're alot nicer.
The point is although player bots make up the majority it is because of your narrow way of thinking that we isro will nvr move forward. As long as people like you are complacent with the current situation nothing will be fixed. You want to know why people bot? Its simple:
because they can; people bot because they have nothing to lose, and they believe that because they bot everyone else bots too [projection ftl]. Joymax thinks like you, but they fail to realize that if they get rid of gold bots, or should i say bots in general like they planned to do, then Isro would be a much healthier lively enviroment. Despite the crowded servers Isro is pretty much decaying from within.
servers are crowded because people buy gold = more gold bots = crowded servers = the handful of players left [bots, and legits] buying premium; then the handful of legits eventually quiting.
Isro is not a game where everyone is meant to be lvl 80; this ideally is how Isro would be without bots, and gold bots:
50% - 70% lvl 20 - 40 [these guys are mostly chinese; they buy a pet, and outfits or nothing at all, they try to keep up with their higher lvl friends, but usually nvr catch up. They lvl extremely slow because their grinding method sucks; most likely to bot]
28% lvl 40 - 60 [these guys are Euros/Chinese; they buy their pgt/gt, but because they are so socially adept don't spend much time grinding, and mostly mess around: mmorpg; not as likely to bot as the other guys ]
2% lvl 80+ [these guy are the hardcore grinders  they play 3 hours a day, every day, then log off[OMGZ 3 hours their so hardcore] . They don't interact with other players because; their goal is 80. These guys are Chinese. within 3 - 5 months with silk from lvl 10 - 80 they will have their cake ; they probably will nvr touch a bot.]
what catagory should you fall in?
here is the current Isro trend:
majority wants to be 80 NAO: even the non silk buyers so they decide to bot  . they babysit, and tend to be the most addicted to the game.
60%+ [you have seen the servers you know these stats are most likely true] Gold bots
20%; these guys nvr get past 40 [mix of legits, and player bots
19% player bots that are lvl 80
1% legits that are lvl 80
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MrH
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 3:34 pm |
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I'd love to talk more about this but it may end up in me getting banned 
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Barotix
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 8:42 pm |
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MrH wrote: I'd love to talk more about this but it may end up in me getting banned 
lol, you bot?
was this topic like locked? I SAY, RISE!
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PR0METHEUS
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:08 pm |
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The whole thing with botting all comes down to my sig...
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SRO: 1x, STR Blader (Thebes) 54, STR blader (Venice) 0x, INT wizard (Venice) 19, INT spear (Venice) 34, STR rogue/bard (Venus) 0x, STR blader (Venus) 8x, INT bard/cleric (Gaia)
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Barotix
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:43 pm |
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sexy wrote: botters keep the game stay alive.
lol; you're roflicious, botters keep the game barely breathing.
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Millenium
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:57 pm |
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Here's my 2cents for you my dear friend.
Feel free to express whatever you want, say all the sh1t you want about a game company and how their security sucks. However. That clearly doesn't excuse you from making programs you cheat with, bot with, ruin the game with, and feel proud that they're the stupid sucker who can't stop you from cheating.
There are people who plays legitimately even after being hacked numerous times due to JM's security flaw. I'd rather give them credits for living strong rather than give you credits for being this way. End of story.
Locked until further notice.
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