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 Post subject: Bowman VS Crossbow
PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:03 am 
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Hi, I need help deciding on what to be. I cant decide to be a Bowman or crossbow. Can somone help me choose, like tell me the pros and cons and stuff. Thanks!


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 Post subject: Re: Bowman VS Crossbow
PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:08 am 
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i havent seen a xbow beat a chinese pure str bow unless it crits whatever that blue bolt skill is that crits for like 21k. =/

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 Post subject: Re: Bowman VS Crossbow
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depends on if you like to farm or not.
bow if you like farming itz a really good stable build. it survives and kills. requires 300k+ on farming

crossbow if you dont like farming, not a good surviving build. But puts out alot of damage and you dont have to farm much :P

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 Post subject: Re: Bowman VS Crossbow
PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:13 am 
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Crossbows do more damage (especially with crossbow extreme skill) Not as fast as a bowman (no moving speed skills such as grass walk and phantom) Stealth is really the main advantage.

Bowman do less damage but attack much quicker, can use potions faster, They really don't begin to do "great" in pvp until they get the final books for strong bow and the 5 arrow combo.

I went with an str bow a while back and I was satisfied with it (level 72)

Try them both out and see which one matches your playing style. Good luck :)


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 Post subject: Re: Bowman VS Crossbow
PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:16 am 
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xbow= less farming ftw!

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 Post subject: Re: Bowman VS Crossbow
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Bow would own Crossbow unless the Crossbow can one shot it. Knockback from a Chi Bow is a Euro Crossbow's worst enemy.

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 Post subject: Re: Bowman VS Crossbow
PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:21 am 
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so what would u guys prefer? i like to farm but i like to pvp a little bit


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 Post subject: Re: Bowman VS Crossbow
PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:32 am 
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Both are great builds really...
If you want to feel like an assassin go rogue.
If you want to see cooler looking moves go Chinese Bow.
If you want to really dominate go Pure Int hands and punch every one you see. :twisted:


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 Post subject: Re: Bowman VS Crossbow
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Crossbow Rogue/Bard and grinding will never be a pain anymore, with Noise aggro monsters leave you alone so you become a real "1 shot Wonder", and thanks to their increased survivability compared to a Wizard for example they're the fastest levelling euro.

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 Post subject: Re: Bowman VS Crossbow
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Well Euro crossbow hits harder, but chinese bower heals faster. I like the Crossbow better myself.

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Xbow=faster

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 Post subject: Re: Bowman VS Crossbow
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Range of Xbow>Range of Chi Bow


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 Post subject: Re: Bowman VS Crossbow
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i don't really like xbow cuz it seems they have a hard time killing chinese pure str.
They have an advantage over glaivers and bladers cuz of the range, but xbow goes down to pure str bow cuz the knockback from 5 arrow happens so frequently. That is unless the xbow gets that lame 20k crit from that blue bolt skill, i dont know what its called but it hurts bad.

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i don't really like xbow cuz it seems they have a hard time killing chinese pure str.
They have an advantage over glaivers and bladers cuz of the range, but xbow goes down to pure str bow cuz the knockback from 5 arrow happens so frequently. That is unless the xbow gets that lame 20k crit from that blue bolt skill, i dont know what its called but it hurts bad.


the only flaw of the Xbow is the pot delay...without that they'd own all chinese builds including strs...The reason why xbow does so much damage is to compensate for the pot delay so if the figh drags on like most str battles of course the bow will lose unless they deal out a nice crit or unless they have a good subclass....even though IowU clearly showed us that Xbow has no problem dealing with STRs...

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XemnasXD wrote:
MrFudge wrote:
i don't really like xbow cuz it seems they have a hard time killing chinese pure str.
They have an advantage over glaivers and bladers cuz of the range, but xbow goes down to pure str bow cuz the knockback from 5 arrow happens so frequently. That is unless the xbow gets that lame 20k crit from that blue bolt skill, i dont know what its called but it hurts bad.


the only flaw of the Xbow is the pot delay...without that they'd own all chinese builds including strs...The reason why xbow does so much damage is to compensate for the pot delay so if the figh drags on like most str battles of course the bow will lose unless they deal out a nice crit or unless they have a good subclass....even though IowU clearly showed us that Xbow has no problem dealing with STRs...



any euro would own chinese with no pot delay, durrrrrrrrrr >.>
lol.

and iowu or whatever fought glaivers and nubs with no range, they didnt even attempt to throw their spears at her, one could say partly cuz she ran out of range, but watch the vid and look at how far she runs...the answer is not very far at all. Out of flying dragon range? YES.

out of strongbow range? helll naw.

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 Post subject: Re: Bowman VS Crossbow
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xbow skills r so boring. but easy to lvl n no need to farm with sub class.

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 Post subject: Re: Bowman VS Crossbow
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I would say a Chinese archer would win because the knockback not only knocks the person back but cancels there current attack which can own a Crossbow player, and the fact they have 1/2 the HP. But that is just my opinion, this game is meant to be even, so sometimes the Archer would win and sometimes the Crossbow player, just have to know how to play them both.

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MrFudge wrote:
XemnasXD wrote:
MrFudge wrote:
i don't really like xbow cuz it seems they have a hard time killing chinese pure str.
They have an advantage over glaivers and bladers cuz of the range, but xbow goes down to pure str bow cuz the knockback from 5 arrow happens so frequently. That is unless the xbow gets that lame 20k crit from that blue bolt skill, i dont know what its called but it hurts bad.


the only flaw of the Xbow is the pot delay...without that they'd own all chinese builds including strs...The reason why xbow does so much damage is to compensate for the pot delay so if the figh drags on like most str battles of course the bow will lose unless they deal out a nice crit or unless they have a good subclass....even though IowU clearly showed us that Xbow has no problem dealing with STRs...



any euro would own chinese with no pot delay, durrrrrrrrrr >.>
lol.

and iowu or whatever fought glaivers and nubs with no range, they didnt even attempt to throw their spears at her, one could say partly cuz she ran out of range, but watch the vid and look at how far she runs...the answer is not very far at all. Out of flying dragon range? YES.

out of strongbow range? helll naw.


Thats your counter point -_-

I mentioned the pot delay because thats the only reason why Xbows die to STR chinese..it has nothing to do with worse skills or worse damage its a matter of just outlasting the enemy not overpowering them...

while Bow users have to practically cap and be fully farmed b4 they're useful xbows are useful throughout....and if Xbox does more damage, has faster skills, longer range i don't see how you can still say chinese bow is superior...

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they are both good but i personally say it depends on the style of your pvp. pve is pretty much equal but in pvp:

chinese bow: has knockback, faster pots, benefits of cold/fire/light trees, faster attacks
euro xbos: less sp, higher attacks, but its very hard to do pvp unless u use stealth. almost all the vids i have seen on youtube and stage 6, the rogue always uses stealth and wins most of the tiimes.

plus i think the chinese bow graphcis are better than the euro ones :D

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5 arrow combo + ice imbue = pissed off rogue.

Chi Bow ftw!

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 Post subject: Re: Bowman VS Crossbow
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xbow has kd and kb... so keep saying bow has kb on 5 arrows isnt much of a point...


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 Post subject: Re: Bowman VS Crossbow
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xbow has kd and kb... so keep saying bow has kb on 5 arrows isnt much of a point...


:P i kno lol but thats just another great point for a chinese bow char. believe me if you have patience, your fully farmed str bower would be awesome :D

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 Post subject: Re: Bowman VS Crossbow
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but cant chinese give the europeans frostbite 100%? but w/e, im choosing to be chi bow. should i just get str?


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 Post subject: Re: Bowman VS Crossbow
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XemnasXD wrote:

Thats your counter point -_-

I mentioned the pot delay because thats the only reason why Xbows die to STR chinese..it has nothing to do with worse skills or worse damage its a matter of just outlasting the enemy not overpowering them...

while Bow users have to practically cap and be fully farmed b4 they're useful xbows are useful throughout....and if Xbox does more damage, has faster skills, longer range i don't see how you can still say chinese bow is superior...



yea no shit its flaw is pot delay..its a fckn euro!!
thats every euros flaw.

xbow is good during fortress war cuz it can shoot far and hits hard, but as soon as it gets a bolt in the face its basically dead. Atleast a chinese bow can take a hit. That 'faster skills, longer range, more damage" blah blah doesn't even matter if you have to call a cleric for res half the time cuz you're layin on ur a$$ dead.

1v1 against a pure str chinese bow, i dont see how it can win unless it gets the 1st crit with that distance shot that crits for 20k or gets crazy lucky with knock downs and push backs with crits in there. All the chinese bow has to do is start off with a 5 arrow combo :S .

and no one even bothered waiting for bless to end against iowU, let alone her/him even pvping against a chinese bow. her big tactic was heavens glare+ run away...what if theres a bow involved? arrow combo interrupts her running away and then she gets owned.

anyway, if bless is on chinese bow in garms with grass walk can just run away with snow shield + 72 shield out til those 45 secs are up.
if you wanna try catchin up to that with your 10% protector speed then be my guest.
Doubt you can even catch up to it with a drug of typhoon cuz phantoms still a problem, and itll be hard either way killing it with even lvl 1 snow shield + shield and 20k hp with no pot delay.

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hm... wonder why people just fight xbow vs bow...
i mean xbow can do good damage without CE... i mean without the buff it still hits as hard as a normal chinese str...

and all xbow has to do is kd then switch to daggers and finish it with a combo


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@lv 52 i've fought a roque/bard and I won with 10-6
My main tactic was just to stay in a icewall (my ice is maxed out for my level) and wait till he appears...So he shoots me with his xbow, my icewall take 1 hit (activating snowshield)...I'll use phantom+strongbow goodgame mate. Ofcourse there were times I lost, bcz of KD, KB or I was to late with reacting.

*edit* btw im a 70:70 light/ice archer (40 fire)

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Lets asumme The XBOW has the following smart skills from cleric sub.

~Bless
~Recovery division
~Holy word.
~Heaven Glare.

Good to go on the side~100% speedpotion

Along with the usual skills in a 1vs1 using these skills Chinese bow has no chance in Hell against Xbow.

Even if an archer runs 100% speed catches up plenty to trow in a FAR hitting Xbow skill.Running is NO option against a Xbow.So perhaps Dying is?^^


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bigbamboo wrote:
Lets asumme The XBOW has the following smart skills from cleric sub.

~Bless
~Recovery division
~Holy word.
~Heaven Glare.

Good to go on the side~100% speedpotion

Along with the usual skills in a 1vs1 using these skills Chinese bow has no chance in Hell against Xbow.

Even if an archer runs 100% speed catches up plenty to trow in a FAR hitting Xbow skill.Running is NO option against a Xbow.So perhaps Dying is?^^


bless spell is bleh. If theres a chance u see the rogue with the cleric rod out its probably smartest to start launching the arrow combo or strongbow for a stun. Once bless is casted its just a matter of the chinese being able to run for those 45 secs. the snowshield + decent BR shield helps :wink:

i dont see a xbow takin out a chinese pure str bow with snow shield and shield out easily, not if he's got high lvl grasswalk and phantom cuz after a xbow skill the chinese would prob be out of range unless it was a knock down or knockback.

and have u ever tried to cast a skill when someone gets in range and then out of range constantly? it cancels it and its really annoying :S

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 Post subject: Re: Bowman VS Crossbow
PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:50 am 
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Heaven Glare is just a back-up.

I didnt assume the tactic u mentioned.
Ur assuming the Archer can Tank for 45 sec,even with SnowShield I severly doubt this cause in 45 Sec u will get critted against no buts and ifs.And Bless is not Snow shield,bless is far far superior.

Also keep stealth in mind when u challenge a Xbow player.That is his most dangerous weapon,Xbow gets first hit when hidden well and can wait hidden till Snow Shield Time runs out to demolish a chinese archer.

Distance Shot + Kd+ KB shots =plenty to immobilize any Archer.Remember our good friends Archer don't have any KD's only KB's which get nullified during bless anyway cause they dont do enough dmg.


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