The 90 Gap

pakakid · **Joined:** Jun 2007 **Posts:** 44 **Location:** new york

Well is it true that at 90 gap euro and chinese will be more balanced? Also that means rogue will be a little more weaker.

ShadowReaver · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 335 **Location:**

Where did u hear that and how will it be more balanced? and why rouges weaker :/ i've just started a rouge

ericxdeath · **Posted:** Wed Jan 30, 2008 2:25 am

90 gap is only possible in the next cap, the char would be prety weak IMO (No skills) you would make some decent sp though.

Nyahgis · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 680 **Location:**

Rants that I'm sick posting [concerning euros not getting new skills.]

Quoteth myself:

EDIT: Trying to make the links show up nicely -.-. gimme a sec EDIT2: DONE

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Who said euros won't get new skills? At the 90 cap, Warriors get something called Ultimate Screen [the ONLY new skill for warrior] Not like it means anything, the other skills will still continue leveling up. So sure, a 2h warrior might not get a cool new skill to replace daredevil, but instead of daredevil lvl 1, he'll be using daredevil lvl 3.

Clerics:
Holy Recovery Division
Holy Group Recovery
Holy Group Reverse
Reverse Immolation
Soul Deity

Bards:
Clout March
Curious Temptation
Cure Music
Mana Orbit
Dancing of Vitality

Warlock:
Combat Ravage
Death Trap
Curse Sight
Recovery Bind

Rogue:
Hunting Point

Wizard:
Nothing

This list is only that of actually new skills. Old skills still continue leveling up... The skills have been developed [ksro has euro skills up to 100 now] and there's no reason not to include them. This whole "gotta balance out the euro race" shit seems to be coming out of nowhere. If euros are supposedly so screwed at the next cap to balance it out, why did euros get their full skills sets at this cap? I would like to see the source of this suspicion everybody is having. Remember, the reason we didn't have the 80 skills for chinese at this cap right off the bat was because they simply weren't developed yet. At the time, ksro was sitting at the 90 cap with 70 skills still. The skills for ksro were updated and beta tested and we got them immediately. Since the entire skill set for both euros and chinese have now been beta tested up to the 100 cap there's NO reason that euros would not get updated skill sets/upgrades to their existing skills.

vindicated01 · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 1094 **Location:** XE

pakakid wrote:

Well is it true that at 90 gap euro and chinese will be more balanced? Also that means rogue will be a little more weaker.

exactly

Malicious · **Joined:** Dec 2007 **Posts:** 717 **Location:**

Personally I dont think this is true. Because just as the Chinese skills increase, so does the Europeans. Sure Chinese only gets a few new skills. I think 1 as a matter of fact, which is the Bicheon one. I actually believe that Europeans will get STRONGER. Because as the pots remain the same size, that means the damage will increase and Chinese won't be able to pot up enough to survive, while the Cleric heals will increase and heal up a Euro. Just my 2 cents.

wootpops · **Posted:** Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:00 am

[MS]Malicious wrote:

Personally I dont think this is true. Because just as the Chinese skills increase, so does the Europeans. Sure Chinese only gets a few new skills. I think 1 as a matter of fact, which is the Bicheon one. I actually believe that Europeans will get STRONGER. Because as the pots remain the same size, that means the damage will increase and Chinese won't be able to pot up enough to survive, while the Cleric heals will increase and heal up a Euro. Just my 2 cents.

chine get
GS-pluto
flame wave-i dont know
new lightning nuke
shield defense for phys atk
anti devil bow crit 40 in
soul arrows shot range 5m increase
theres more but i forget them.
but the new lightning nuke again is pwnage.

Malicious · **Joined:** Dec 2007 **Posts:** 717 **Location:**

wootpops wrote:

[MS]Malicious wrote:

Personally I dont think this is true. Because just as the Chinese skills increase, so does the Europeans. Sure Chinese only gets a few new skills. I think 1 as a matter of fact, which is the Bicheon one. I actually believe that Europeans will get STRONGER. Because as the pots remain the same size, that means the damage will increase and Chinese won't be able to pot up enough to survive, while the Cleric heals will increase and heal up a Euro. Just my 2 cents.

chine get
GS-pluto
flame wave-i dont know
new lightning nuke
shield defense for phys atk
anti devil bow crit 40 in
soul arrows shot range 5m increase
theres more but i forget them.
but the new lightning nuke again is pwnage.

While a European increases the damage of it's last book of skills. So basically hit EVEN harder.

antics · **Posted:** Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:19 am

out of all advanced version of sro i have seen
the only euro i see around are warriors and xbows and a few wizards
everyone else is glavie or nuker
these are in ksro and csro

Nyahgis · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 680 **Location:**

[MS]Malicious wrote:

wootpops wrote:

[MS]Malicious wrote:

Personally I dont think this is true. Because just as the Chinese skills increase, so does the Europeans. Sure Chinese only gets a few new skills. I think 1 as a matter of fact, which is the Bicheon one. I actually believe that Europeans will get STRONGER. Because as the pots remain the same size, that means the damage will increase and Chinese won't be able to pot up enough to survive, while the Cleric heals will increase and heal up a Euro. Just my 2 cents.

chine get
GS-pluto
flame wave-i dont know
new lightning nuke
shield defense for phys atk
anti devil bow crit 40 in
soul arrows shot range 5m increase
theres more but i forget them.
but the new lightning nuke again is pwnage.

While a European increases the damage of it's last book of skills. So basically hit EVEN harder.

Finally, people who actually reason and don't pull shit out of their asses... You have no idea how often I end up arguing [not much of an argument, they don't concede and are stubborn as hell] about the fact that euros will get a skill increase at the next cap. Where they get it from that they won't I have no idea.

Sharp324 · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 4383 **Location:**

Only reason some notice they wont be as strong is because of the people who played on other SRO versions.

ThisIsAvalon · **Joined:** Nov 2007 **Posts:** 1163 **Location:**

Simple facts: Euros update their skills, just as chinese. The pots will still be x-large for BOTH classes, but since euros rely on clerics not pots, that will favor the euros. Sosun droprate will be fixed, no more fully pimped goldbuyers. You decide.

vanom · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 546 **Location:**

chinese characters will become weaker against characters, who deal physical damage, cuz most chinese characters will drop cold tree (which means they drop cold buff and passive).

Malicious · **Joined:** Dec 2007 **Posts:** 717 **Location:**

Sharp324 wrote:

Only reason some notice they wont be as strong is because of the people who played on other SRO versions.

This does not necessarily they "notice". It could very well mean the preferance of the build amongst the people who play the server. Notice how Glaviers are very popular as well as sword and shield, even though sword and shield nuker aren't the strongest buids out there.

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Simple facts: Euros update their skills, just as chinese. The pots will still be x-large for BOTH classes, but since euros rely on clerics not pots, that will favor the euros. Sosun droprate will be fixed, no more fully pimped goldbuyers. You decide.

This is basically what I said so:

+1 to you.

DarkJackal · **Joined:** Feb 2006 **Posts:** 6119 **Location:** A den~

These topics come up for every cap lol, just gonna have to wait and find out, everyone gets updated/new skills, it won't change all that much.

Cept the lack of **** bots/goldbuyers will full sun~ \o/.

huejas · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 1804 **Location:**

ericxdeath wrote:

90 gap is only possible in the next cap, the char would be prety weak IMO (No skills) you would make some decent sp though.

i lol'ed

Sylhana · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 3467 **Location:**

Euros rely on cleric for healing. Chinese rely on pots. If pots dont cut it, what do you think will happen? Chinese will seek clerics to help with auxilary healing and buffs.

Remember that the pvp grounds have change since euro came. It doesnt always have to be euro vs chinese.

DarkJackal · **Joined:** Feb 2006 **Posts:** 6119 **Location:** A den~

Considering clerics aren't bound to Euros, Chinese rely on pots+Clerics, Euros only have clerics, so thaty doesn't really work out that way lol.

Sylhana · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 3467 **Location:**

DarkJackal wrote:

Considering clerics aren't bound to Euros, Chinese rely on pots+Clerics, Euros only have clerics, so thaty doesn't really work out that way lol.

Get another cleric

. Alot of euros now like to have subs, and cleric sub tend to be a popular choice.

Note: I'm sure the threadstarter meant 90 cap not gap.

ThisIsAvalon · **Joined:** Nov 2007 **Posts:** 1163 **Location:**

It doesnt HAVE to be euro vs chinese, but why add a nuker that does 8k nukes to the party, instead of a wizard doing 15k?

Sylhana · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 3467 **Location:**

ThisIsAvalon wrote:

It doesnt HAVE to be euro vs chinese, but why add a nuker that does 8k nukes to the party, instead of a wizard doing 15k?

In a share xp pt, a wizard would do a better job. Chi nukers, depending on the build could do double duty, but again, not always optimal for share xp pts. A bicheon + lightning nuker, is able to function like a warlock, like a wizard, and tank for a bit like a char with bless should the need arise (its more useful for team pvp).

Malicious · **Joined:** Dec 2007 **Posts:** 717 **Location:**

Sylhana wrote:

ThisIsAvalon wrote:

It doesnt HAVE to be euro vs chinese, but why add a nuker that does 8k nukes to the party, instead of a wizard doing 15k?

In a share xp pt, a wizard would do a better job. Chi nukers, depending on the build could do double duty, but again, not always optimal for share xp pts. A bicheon + lightning nuker, is able to function like a warlock, like a wizard, and tank for a bit like a char with bless should the need arise (its more useful for team pvp).

No build but anyone with Force will be like a warlock. Warlocks 4 Life!

Renton · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 621 **Location:**

Euro isn't bound by the 15 sec pot delay either.. You gotta spend 300k to get 50 grains. Even though it's 4sec cool down, but its still hella better than a 15 sec delay. Useful during pvp/wars but grinding pointless.

Shadow1964 · **Joined:** Dec 2007 **Posts:** 4

pakakid wrote:

Well is it true that at 90 gap euro and chinese will be more balanced? Also that means rogue will be a little more weaker.

I don´t think that with gap 90 the Europeans get weaker! Both will increase their damage and buffs. In my opinion there are more arguments, that euros will get stronger:

1. Drop rate of SOX is now fixed (Only Chinese have degree 8 SOX and make them stronger) and we get with new gap degree 9
2. some people have write it already, that the HP-pots will remain the same! That is a disadvantage for Chinese, because they depends more from the pots
3. at last … the masteries of Chinese will stay at 300. It involves that a lvl 80 full farmed chinese ( at moment 80-80-80-60) has to decrease some masteries to go for the 90 lvl. For example 90-90-90-30. At least 1 tree of the Chinese will get weaker

ciko1984 · **Joined:** Oct 2007 **Posts:** 318 **Location:**

why wizard has anything new :cry:

btw imo it will be good for eu. to get rid of full sun set gold buyer and btw will be sox drop for 9d? (both eu and ch.)

Qrush · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 184 **Location:** Sweden

It wont change so much we get new gear, new weapon, new skills (most upgrades). Think of a Pure STR Blader without any blue he got 21.9k HP. That's like :shock:

, think of him with full blue he will sure be unbeatable. Sure euro will get stronger to but hey why be so negative about that? It aint so hard to kill a euro if you do it the right way. If i see a cleric i aim for him right away, without a cleric a euro char are pretty much worthless. That's my 2 cents.

heroo · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 6618 **Location:**

they have to be balanced, cuz when the 140 eventally comes euro and chinese should be fully balanced.

at least, that's if you want a fair game.

bigbamboo · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 155

@Qrush,

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It aint so hard to kill a euro if you do it the right way. If i see a cleric i aim for him right away, without a cleric a euro char are pretty much worthless. That's my 2 cents.

Thats why Euro especially STR chars get Cleric as subclass.To balance out the cons.

The way I see it,things will not balance out between euro and chinese,Chinese will have to keep sacrificing Mastery levels till it has only 2 trees.While Euro got every neccesary skill fused in 1/2 trees.Combined with the idea that Xtra large potions is all that's gonna be used Chinese will keep getting a bigger disadvantage.

Rogues won't get weaker as their Normal skills will get upgrades as well.Now take Cleric as sub and you'r good to go till 100+ cap.

ciko1984 · **Joined:** Oct 2007 **Posts:** 318 **Location:**

Btw when 90 cap comes hotan will be more crowded

there must be a new solution for it

Renton · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 621 **Location:**

ciko1984 wrote:

Btw when 90 cap comes hotan will be more crowded

there must be a new solution for it

*Holds V*

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