Anti-Bot thingy

sting13 · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 689 **Location:**

I started playing Rappelz today, I have to say the game aint for me. But they have a unique way of preventing, or atleast helping to prevent botting. They have random monsters than spawn, called Baby moon rabbits, if you target them too much you get kicked from the server, and eventually get banned if it continues. As far as i can tell this could easily be implemented into sro, seeing as they have party mobs, which seem to work on a similar system. Thoughts?

larroxx · **Posted:** Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:38 pm

wow thats a great idea of them fianlly some good company that trys to fight BOTS extreeeeeeeeeeeem . but Joymax will never do that . To much Code work lmao

Grimm-.- · **Posted:** Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:41 pm

They already tried this...As to why they did not keep it....I think because noobs kept killing them...

DarkJackal · **Joined:** Feb 2006 **Posts:** 6119 **Location:** A den~

If I understand it right, there are just random mobs and if you target it too much you get kicked? that seems kinda gay, what if you accidentally do it?

Coudln't bots just be able to not target something anyway?

They had "protectors" a while ago >.>, that was just some ball thing ppl could summon, if you atk it you die instantly, it was pretty pointless, you could summon 1 per hour lol.

Midori · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 3425 **Location:**

packet's my good sir, bots will get around it.

sting13 · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 689 **Location:**

Well you cant attack the mobs in Rappelz, its working for rappelz so it must be doing something, i didnt see a single bot on there, although i seen a Gm within 1hour of playing..

Amelie · **Posted:** Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:46 pm

DarkJackal wrote:

If I understand it right, there are just random mobs and if you target it too much you get kicked? that seems kinda gay, what if you accidentally do it?

you cant "accidentally" hit them, since you've to press like alt+double click or something to target THOSE anti mobs things.

I've played rappelz (still do), and i've seen that.

Also, you dont get "kicked" out of the server, you've just sent to the abbyss (some kind of jail), and you get debuffed by -90% of all your stats and speed. And to get out of it you've to talk/send-an-email to the GM's and they release you.

DopeX · **Joined:** Mar 2008 **Posts:** 358 **Location:**

Its a great idea, but i'm sure they'd be able to write a script to get around this, however still i suggest you suggest this on the main site

/Pi · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 4592 **Location:**

Just because botters can get around obstacles, that doesn't mean they shouldn't be implemented. Even the smallest practical anti-botting system can contribute.

jabbers · **Posted:** Tue Apr 01, 2008 2:06 am

plz post pics of baby moon rabbit

Rakion · **Posted:** Tue Apr 01, 2008 2:23 am

DarkJackal wrote:

They had "protectors" a while ago >.>, that was just some ball thing ppl could summon, if you atk it you die instantly, it was pretty pointless, you could summon 1 per hour lol.

did you ever tried restart? it will eventually lose the cooldown making it possible to make more than 2 of a summon... bad thing though if you dont have premium and the server is crowded, better not to do it at all.

Sylhana · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 3467 **Location:**

The game has been out for over a year now, and looks promising that there isnt alot of cheating going on. The customer support is excellent for a f2p game.

jabbers · **Posted:** Tue Apr 01, 2008 2:53 am

hahah cute , thks

TurkMasterooni · **Joined:** Mar 2008 **Posts:** 30 **Location:** Turkey

am saying goodnight to forum
am going to sleep

AnarChaos · **Posted:** Tue Apr 01, 2008 5:47 am

Rappelz is just another F2P "acting" game. It has GPotato like silk in SRO and it is impossible for you to level up if you don't buy GPotato. Things in their item mall is more expensive than SRO also.

Only thing to stop bots in SRo is this:

Every char should have do a job at least 1 hour (or another certain amount of time) in a week.
And the time should pass by only when you are out of the safe zone. So gold bots won't be able to log in any more because they do not have jobs!

Even if they find a way to get out of the safe zone we can kill them all without being PK!

tedtwilliger · **Posted:** Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:05 am

AnarChaos wrote:

Rappelz is just another F2P "acting" game. It has GPotato like silk in SRO and it is impossible for you to level up if you don't buy GPotato. Things in their item mall is more expensive than SRO also.

Only thing to stop bots in SRo is this: GM supervision)

fixed

rappelz seems alright, i might give it a look up

Weirdo · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 149 **Location:**

Amelie wrote:

DarkJackal wrote:

If I understand it right, there are just random mobs and if you target it too much you get kicked? that seems kinda gay, what if you accidentally do it?

you cant "accidentally" hit them, since you've to press like alt+double click or something to target THOSE anti mobs things.

I've played rappelz (still do), and i've seen that.

Also, you dont get "kicked" out of the server, you've just sent to the abbyss (some kind of jail), and you get debuffed by -90% of all your stats and speed. And to get out of it you've to talk/send-an-email to the GM's and they release you.

Wow, an jail for bots

haha that would look awesome. Thousands ywetqwu's who are in a little room screaming for freedom.

haha HAHA MUHAHAHAHA :twisted:

HolyPure · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 365 **Location:** Hotan

the pb with that is, that it dont would work on sro, cuz the bot attacks mobs with a id, just get the bunny id say never attack it, and the "problem" is solved, so that wont work, anyway its a old topic...

PR0METHEUS · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 4093 **Location:** Earth

The moon rabbit thing isn't such a bad idea, although it wouldn't be too hard to reprogram the bots to not attack them.

One thing about bots, they always (at least gold bots) seem to go to the exact same location as each other for each of the NPCs. They all follow a predefined path (possibly some slight variance) and stand right on top of each other.

Joymax could put some kind of monitor in place on the server to watch "well known" bot checkpoints at each NPC. If you stand on that spot, you get flagged - not banned, but flagged as suspicious. If you get too many flags (say you stop at say 5 or 10 checkpoints like that) then you get banned automatically.

They could put some kind of thresholds onto that, so a real player could accidentally stand on a couple of those within say 15 minutes and not get flagged, or have the flags cleared if they stay under the threshold.

It's pretty obvious what coordinates each bot hits on a regular basis. The server should be able to identify which characters fit those patterns, mark them as "suspicious" and if they continue to be "suspicious" for too long, banhammer.

ping_lo · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 911 **Location:**

I introduce to you 2 methods to squish unattended bots. The first is called a boulder. You can't walk through it only around it. Set it on the bot path out of town and watch pile ups ensue. 2nd is a random town exit maze. Simple enough right? Simple to implement as well right? Do you know why we don't have something like that? Because joymax likes crowded servers and the gold bots give them that. So lets drop pointless discussion of things joymax will never do.

PR0METHEUS · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 4093 **Location:** Earth

ping_lo wrote:

I introduce to you 2 methods to squish unattended bots. The first is called a boulder.

I would absolutely love to see a huge boulder come out of the sky in-game and land on top of some random bot, crushing him to the ground similar to cartoons when a 10-ton weight is slammed onto someone.

We NEED that NOW! :-D

foudre · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 3604 **Location:**

sting13 wrote:

I started playing Rappelz today, I have to say the game aint for me. But they have a unique way of preventing, or atleast helping to prevent botting. They have random monsters than spawn, called Baby moon rabbits, if you target them too much you get kicked from the server, and eventually get banned if it continues. As far as i can tell this could easily be implemented into sro, seeing as they have party mobs, which seem to work on a similar system. Thoughts?

lol those bunnies were bot detectors? i shot them for fun, hmm maybe i'm thinking of a different game that had somethign weak i could shoot at randomly around

HellsAdvocate · **Joined:** Jul 2006 **Posts:** 382 **Location:** georgia

sting13 wrote:

I started playing Rappelz today, I have to say the game aint for me. But they have a unique way of preventing, or atleast helping to prevent botting. They have random monsters than spawn, called Baby moon rabbits, if you target them too much you get kicked from the server, and eventually get banned if it continues. As far as i can tell this could easily be implemented into sro, seeing as they have party mobs, which seem to work on a similar system. Thoughts?

programmers will sipply code not add the code to target those mobs??? are you serious with that? that will only stop pixel bots. programmers have to add in code for each and every monster that it targets.

X4rd4S · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 355 **Location:**

AnarChaos wrote:

Rappelz is just another F2P "acting" game. It has GPotato like silk in SRO and it is impossible for you to level up if you don't buy GPotato. Things in their item mall is more expensive than SRO also.

Only thing to stop bots in SRo is this:

Every char should have do a job at least 1 hour (or another certain amount of time) in a week.
And the time should pass by only when you are out of the safe zone. So gold bots won't be able to log in any more because they do not have jobs!

Even if they find a way to get out of the safe zone we can kill them all without being PK!

I think this is best idea so far, and that would work 100%

ShadowReaver · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 335 **Location:**

PR0METHEUS wrote:

The moon rabbit thing isn't such a bad idea, although it wouldn't be too hard to reprogram the bots to not attack them.

One thing about bots, they always (at least gold bots) seem to go to the exact same location as each other for each of the NPCs. They all follow a predefined path (possibly some slight variance) and stand right on top of each other.

Joymax could put some kind of monitor in place on the server to watch "well known" bot checkpoints at each NPC. If you stand on that spot, you get flagged - not banned, but flagged as suspicious. If you get too many flags (say you stop at say 5 or 10 checkpoints like that) then you get banned automatically.

They could put some kind of thresholds onto that, so a real player could accidentally stand on a couple of those within say 15 minutes and not get flagged, or have the flags cleared if they stay under the threshold.

It's pretty obvious what coordinates each bot hits on a regular basis. The server should be able to identify which characters fit those patterns, mark them as "suspicious" and if they continue to be "suspicious" for too long, banhammer.

In my opinion, joymax knows perfectly well who bots and who doesnt. it's just the question of who they want to ban and who they dont..

PR0METHEUS · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 4093 **Location:** Earth

foudre wrote:

sting13 wrote:

I started playing Rappelz today, I have to say the game aint for me. But they have a unique way of preventing, or atleast helping to prevent botting. They have random monsters than spawn, called Baby moon rabbits, if you target them too much you get kicked from the server, and eventually get banned if it continues. As far as i can tell this could easily be implemented into sro, seeing as they have party mobs, which seem to work on a similar system. Thoughts?

lol those bunnies were bot detectors? i shot them for fun, hmm maybe i'm thinking of a different game that had somethign weak i could shoot at randomly around

Perfect World has horses, dogs, and I think bunnies that you can attack in town for fun

William-CL · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 7363 **Location:** N/A

I played Rapplez didn't even realize this lol. But there were things called protectors/automobs that you could buy from the store and as soon as you attack it it will one-hit ko your a$$. Bots got around it, so they romoved it. Was fun to use on newbs lol

SpInKsTaR · **Joined:** Oct 2007 **Posts:** 412 **Location:**

Crap idea.
Why cant they get protection so that nothing is able to inject sro_client.exe and connect successfully, Punkbusters? Maybe a REAL GameGuard that works? Develop own protection? -_-

or even a Button in the Actions menu "Report Botter" and GM's check it out

Lazy joymax

XMoshe · **Posted:** Wed Apr 02, 2008 12:38 pm

So thats what they are for..I kept selecting them and trying to kill them hehe

Crowley · **Posted:** Wed Apr 02, 2008 12:54 pm

in SoF they have these scare crows, which act just like creeps, but if u attack them for a certain period of time, u get kicked from the server

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