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cuchulainn
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Post subject: Fire Shield Is a % (Proof) Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:45 pm |
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My fire shield:
My Jewelry:
Burn w/o Fire Shield on:
Burn w/ Fire Shield on:
Now the math:
To get the base burn effect, we have to take out the effect of the jewelry
So 132=.87*burn since I have 13% reduction from jewelry, the full unreduced burn effect is given by solving this.
We get burn=151.7= ~152
Now that we have the full burn effect, we'll calculate the result of fire shield both by % and with absolute reduction to see which gives the correct number
First by absolute: Final=Burn-.13*burn-64
So by this we get final effect number as 68.24= ~68
This obviously is not correct since my final effect with fire shield on was 34, not 68
Not Absolute Reduction
Now we calculate by %: Final=Burn-.13*burn-.64*burn
So by this we get the final effect as 34.96= ~35
Hmm. which is closer 35 or 68? The minor error is probably due to Joymax rounding down, rather than up.
So Final Conclusion:
Fire Shield is a % Reduction!!!!!
If I see any more threads stating fire shield is an absolute reduction I will mercilessly spam it with links to this post.
PS: Maybe a stickie so people can easily find this?
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bleaK
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:03 pm |
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A+
now let's hope other people understand this.
EDIT: wow u play ~8 hours of silkroad a day. 55/7 = 7.857142857. lucky you and ur night shift.
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cuchulainn
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:05 pm |
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bleaK wrote: A+
now let's hope other people understand this.
EDIT: wow u play ~8 hours of silkroad a day. 55/7 = 7.857142857. lucky you and ur night shift.
That's actually low. Closer to 10+ hours a day.
I took a week off work to visit home last week and I didn't play as much as I normally do. I'm back at work now and I have 6 graveyard shifts in a row XD
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Ice_Warrior
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 10:14 am |
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ok i dunno how you work this out, but i have maxed out book 4 fore shield and have 25% ice reduce on jewelry but they are still freezing me for a split second and slowing my skills? have i done something? please help me.
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cuchulainn
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 10:47 am |
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Ice_Warrior wrote: ok i dunno how you work this out, but i have maxed out book 4 fore shield and have 25% ice reduce on jewelry but they are still freezing me for a split second and slowing my skills? have i done something? please help me.
SS all your jewelry and your fire shield skill and post them here.
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Ezeckiel
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 11:15 am |
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Thanks for the info. I'll check if my tests gives the same results
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 1:20 pm |
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Cuch photoshopped the results to make it look like he was correct... don't believe a word he says.
btw i'm joking, just wanted to see the bold all caps in giant font again.
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vulperin
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 3:28 am |
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Phiew...luckily i never ask this question. In other words, it is possible to get 100% of immunity.
By the way it took me 10 minutes to fully understand what he meant...so those new players out there like me, please think a little bit more before asking such questions
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 10:02 pm |
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vulperin wrote: Phiew...luckily i never ask this question. In other words, it is possible to get 100% of immunity.
That still has yet to be comfirmed, either way. There is speculation both ways. It's one of those things that people are going to argue about, and you'll only really be able to find out yourself.
It really depends on how the game does its calculations.
Does it add up all it's percentages and then calculate them all in one run? If so, it'd be like Diablo 2's calculations. 25% on an amulet and 25% on a spell makes 50%. (although they set a max resist cap of 95% with spells)
However, if they calculate armour and then spells, one after the other, then it would be mathematically impossible to get 100% reduce (unless it was all on one item, or all on your armour, or whatever). Ok, example.. It's easier to think of in my head this way.
An item costs 10 dollars in a store, and is 25% off. The store is also having 25% off the whole store. 25% and 25% does NOT mean the item is 50% off (5 dollars). You take it one at a time. 25% off makes it 7.50. then 25% off of that makes it 5.62.
You could get really close to 100%, but there's still be a small amount left. This would explain Ice_Warrior's freezing.
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cuchulainn
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 12:01 am |
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sugaholic wrote: vulperin wrote: Phiew...luckily i never ask this question. In other words, it is possible to get 100% of immunity. That still has yet to be comfirmed, either way. There is speculation both ways. It's one of those things that people are going to argue about, and you'll only really be able to find out yourself. It really depends on how the game does its calculations. Does it add up all it's percentages and then calculate them all in one run? If so, it'd be like Diablo 2's calculations. 25% on an amulet and 25% on a spell makes 50%. (although they set a max resist cap of 95% with spells) However, if they calculate armour and then spells, one after the other, then it would be mathematically impossible to get 100% reduce (unless it was all on one item, or all on your armour, or whatever). Ok, example.. It's easier to think of in my head this way. An item costs 10 dollars in a store, and is 25% off. The store is also having 25% off the whole store. 25% and 25% does NOT mean the item is 50% off (5 dollars). You take it one at a time. 25% off makes it 7.50. then 25% off of that makes it 5.62. You could get really close to 100%, but there's still be a small amount left. This would explain Ice_Warrior's freezing.
it all adds up. I have 67 from fire shield and 35% from jewelry. Anyone on troy is welcome to cape me and try to freeze me, I'm immune. Hell, I'll even make a vid if peopel want.
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Irukandji
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 9:06 am |
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i think i vid is what we need - it will stop all this nonsense of people saying you can't be immune
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cuch i was reading a book for my summer project and i was suprised to see your name. I finally know the story behind it lol.
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Vintar
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 10:02 am |
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Is there any people here with a maxed frost nova on Troy, to make a vid ? ^^
Btw I'm cold immune too and I never get frozen, even with the cold imbue book4. Never.
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cuchulainn
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 12:35 am |
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bump
sticky anyone?
I seem to have to bump this once it gets buried half a dozen pages because someone new comes saying you can't get immune
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Lance
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 12:56 am |
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so with fire shield maxed, which gives a status error 78 reduce, u only need 22% from rings etc, and your completely immune?
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cuchulainn
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 12:56 am |
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Lance wrote: so with fire shield maxed, what is the minimum of % reduce on rings etc you need ? 35%?
Maxed fire shield gives 78% reduction, so you'd need a minimum of 22% to be immune
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Kenshin
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 4:14 am |
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fire shield is kinda cheap now that i think about it. but o well, who cares. XD
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 1:43 pm |
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and the best part is you dont even have to be a blader/sword user.
just max fire shield and buy a lvl 1 shield, do the buff, and get your wep out again....
................Lol ok my work is done here...
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 3:36 pm |
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I always thought this was obvious o.0
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cuchulainn
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 9:14 pm |
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isight wrote: I always thought this was obvious o.0
For awhile I thought it was an absolute reduction until I tested it myself. Now people won't take my word for it so I had to give them proof that I could refer them too every time they said "no, ur wr0ng"
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:45 am |
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 2:06 pm |
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senapanaga wrote: and the best part is you dont even have to be a blader/sword user.
just max fire shield and buy a lvl 1 shield, do the buff, and get your wep out again....
................Lol ok my work is done here...
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Kenshin
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:26 am |
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i know which is kinda weird since that doesnt ahpen in real life...LOL
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Elysium
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:16 am |
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so if I get it right when u have 64 reduce with that fire shield skill and u got jewelery for examle: ice for 36% or higher u can't get frozen/frostbite?
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cuchulainn
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:35 am |
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Elysium wrote: so if I get it right when u have 64 reduce with that fire shield skill and u got jewelery for examle: ice for 36% or higher u can't get frozen/frostbite?
Yep
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Elysium
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:37 am |
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cool I gonna make that 
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 9:37 am |
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u can have immunity to ice in the early 30's if u wanted to waste gold on alchemy then ^^ fire shield slower 41% stat reduce w/ 4 pieces of 15% reduction wud get u full immunity ^^
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Elysium
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 10:02 am |
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which lvl does 41% reduce of the fire shield?
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