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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 5:51 pm 
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Well of course you can't one shot them cause you're pure int, not strength so that means all your attack power comes from your imbue.


ints do more dmg even in phy attacks i have tested it... they are more dmg all total


Sorry, but i beg to differ. Pure str of an equal level to a pure int, the pure str will do more damage with no imbue. But the pure int will do more damage with imbue.

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Why don't you try adding 100% STR to all your gear? And if you can afford it, buy the Premium Ticket, which would give you 5% extra damage. A GDF would also give you 2 more STR.

By the way, how much would a 16+5 sun bow cost?


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first people want a SOS bow for farming, after that they want nice clothes, after that they want their bow +3 after that they want it +5 after that they want SOM after that they want SOS clothes fully pimped after that they want SUN bow after that they want to kill without imbue... omg just press CTRL and put fire on your X key so its easy to select the archers dont be so lazy man...I farmed with a sos+3 bow and i was missing 5~10 damage almost everytime to 1 hit them

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Do you take any damage from the archers? If not, set your HP auto pot to 100% and use the belt slot number you use for your imbue. auto imbue everytime it ends (at least I believe that will work). You can spam HP pots if you need to, but I doubt you will.


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StealmySoda, hehe, I do have imbue man...i just don't want to use it since it slow thing down so much...

13g, thanks for the advice but I'd like to farm at 16...it is the most efficient. You use much less gold for repair, pots...bandit archer drop wind 1 and 2, and fire 2...the one thing that sucks the most for farming at 16 is the delvl once u gain a lvl...but with the skill ticket it won't matter much anymore...

MrFudge, I actually really don't like farming at any other lvl than 16 for my full str char...my full str char gets to lvl 67 so I've experiemented with the ice, takla, the cave...I heard lot of different opinion for farming for full int at the ice or the cave...however for now i want to see how far i'd go at the den...

Rainigul, yes, you're right, you keep 1 int, 1 str per lvl even if u delvl...do you know anyone that actually delvl from 30 to 16 full int per my original question? Do you think i should attempt it and see :D...lvl up to 30 is not hard but delvl all those masteries would cost quite some gold :cry:

Now I'm confused. I thought you only kept points you distributed? *shrug* Oh well, can't always be right :P


ok, you keep the int and str from lvling, but you lose the effect anything above you lvl gives you (althought you keep the hp and mp). one guy i farmed with lvl'd to 36, deleveled, we had similar gear and he hit like 20 points higher than me...so dont bother leveling up, its not worth it....just get nice gear with full int and str and farming is a breeze


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A really easy way is if you have a wheel on your mouse that you can click in (which will target your M button), you can put your imbue(fire/ice/light) on the M slot and click in with your mouse to trigger the imbue. This way you can easily just use your mouse and not have your hand on the keyboard. Now all you would need to do is click archer and push in on the wheel button to trigger your imbue. That's what I would do. If you plan on not using an imbue, your hella lazy =P. use my method, much easier.

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Ok, sorry for posting so late. But alot of you are noobs :P

You do keep your points from deleveling, I know from experience.
The reason you lose hp and mp is becaues the hp and mp formulas are based on your level.

Try this: level up a character to level 6, then delevel, and pay attention to what happens, you lose hp and mp, but not str and int.

Also, to topic starter: umm... Since I'm responding so late, it's hard to really tell where we are in the conversation. Anwyays, to topic starter: You should farm on anything that you can kill in one hit (guarenteed one hit) with a pretty good spawn rate. If you can kill chakjis in 2 hits, then you should farm on them, because they have a nice spawn rate.

Farming at 16 is a great idea, 0 gapping is GREAT and being perfectly farmed is even better :)
I'm gonna farm again later.


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am I missing something here? wouldnt it increase his phys dmg if he put +3 str on a lot of his gear?

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u'r right, it would.


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brentonsbbe359 wrote:
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Well of course you can't one shot them cause you're pure int, not strength so that means all your attack power comes from your imbue.


ints do more dmg even in phy attacks i have tested it... they are more dmg all total


How is this possible???

Str based characters are based on STR meaning most of their attack power comes from their Str, not Int.

Int based characters are based on MAGIC which means their attack power comes from magic.

Ever wonder why INT attack so low without their imbues? it's cause they don't have STR. Heck, when I do soul spear with an imbue, my regular attack with an imbue is stronger and I'm just a INT hybrid.

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I've said this before and I'll say it again.

Even with level 30 Str stats, FULL blue gear and an SOM+5 bow (also full blue), I still don't even one-hit archers 100% of the time WITH imbue.

It's just not doable. Farming without imbue is an unobtainable dream unless you go to truly extreme measures like deleveling a 60 or something.

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Necro-Mage wrote:
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Well of course you can't one shot them cause you're pure int, not strength so that means all your attack power comes from your imbue.


ints do more dmg even in phy attacks i have tested it... they are more dmg all total


How is this possible???

Str based characters are based on STR meaning most of their attack power comes from their Str, not Int.

Int based characters are based on MAGIC which means their attack power comes from magic.

Ever wonder why INT attack so low without their imbues? it's cause they don't have STR. Heck, when I do soul spear with an imbue, my regular attack with an imbue is stronger and I'm just a INT hybrid.


i think he was saying that weapon skills + imbue, ints generally do more dmg. he was missing the point of this topic.


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FBIRem wrote:
I've said this before and I'll say it again.

Even with level 30 Str stats, FULL blue gear and an SOM+5 bow (also full blue), I still don't even one-hit archers 100% of the time WITH imbue.

It's just not doable. Farming without imbue is an unobtainable dream unless you go to truly extreme measures like deleveling a 60 or something.


same here dude but i had a +7 and only lvl to 25 for stats.

not even close to 1 hitting with imbue as a pure str.

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I would like to add a few things to farming at lvl 16.

1) Even with SoM Bow (I never tried Sun Bow) You can only one hit Archer with Skill + Imbue. Unless you Crit. Str/Int Build makes lil difference.

2) SoS Bow won't guarantee a one hit Kill, sometimes it takes 2 Hits even with Skill + Imbue.

3) Killing a Bandit gives you close to 1 SP with GT

4) Killing an Archer gives you about 0.6 SP with GT

5) 400 SP EXP = 1SP point

6) Its not the amount of sp you get per kill that benifits you so much at the den, its the spawn rate.

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I have full str and int on all my clothes (str 3, int 3) ....I can one hit archer with regular attack + imbue every time but my imbue needs 1 second or 2 to recharge so in between i have to 2 regular hit archer.

to answer snag12, I am kinda lazy hehe...i've been using the method of imbue in quick slot (using scroll button) and it works but it still slow me down a bit...I was hoping I could just one hit archer with regular attack and I could get like 10k sp per 1 day GT haha...I am dreaming :oops:

To everyone else, I think you guys are right...I don't think lvl up would do it... since most of my damage derive from imbue...I think i waste quite a bit of gold getting the Sun bow :banghead:


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sroaddict wrote:
I have full str and int on all my clothes (str 3, int 3) ....I can one hit archer with regular attack + imbue every time but my imbue needs 1 second or 2 to recharge so in between i have to 2 regular hit archer.

to answer snag12, I am kinda lazy hehe...i've been using the method of imbue in quick slot (using scroll button) and it works but it still slow me down a bit...I was hoping I could just one hit archer with regular attack and I could get like 10k sp per 1 day GT haha...I am dreaming :oops:

To everyone else, I think you guys are right...I don't think lvl up would do it... since most of my damage derive from imbue...I think i waste quite a bit of gold getting the Sun bow :banghead:


With 9 mastery gap at lvl 16, you CAN NOT 1 shot archer with regular attack + imbue even with SOMoon/SOStar and 100% STR/INT on all your gear. Its only doable with Skill + Imbue.

And, you can get 10k SP per day farming at den provided you farm for atleast 14 hours a day with GT & SGT.
(and this is when you optimise your farming with no disruption ard you ie bots)

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if your int, farm nachals. What I did was farm 20k sp at archers, then another 20k or so sp at penons, and did all my major farming at nachals. Nachals may be a bit slower than farming at the den, but the money you make and the tabs you get make it well worth it imo. Not to mention, the chance of finding sun. :)


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Cerus wrote:
With 9 mastery gap at lvl 16, you CAN NOT 1 shot archer with regular attack + imbue even with SOMoon/SOStar and 100% STR/INT on all your gear. Its only doable with Skill + Imbue.

And, you can get 10k SP per day farming at den provided you farm for atleast 14 hours a day with GT & SGT.
(and this is when you optimise your farming with no disruption ard you ie bots)


I beg to differ, I believe SOM +3 and full STR/INT on clothes and Acc you could one shot archer with regular attack+imbue.

and playing more than 3 hours is out of the question :D I have so many other stuffs to do and playing 3 hours is already pushing it !


Lixe,
I was thinking of doing that too but I don't have good 64 spear and i heard nachal room is often crowded :( Can you one nuke nachal when you farm there at lvl 69?


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