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People all say how useful cold tree is for pure int players in pvp and pve
so then, im wondering why many guides doesnt include cold now for their builds? :roll:
etc ... this guide
http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic ... 132#295132
here.. considering the further lvl cap, it does not have ice at all?

i mean will i suck at pvp if i dont get cold tree?
how will it affect me? and how much??


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im considering a s/s weapon/lit build as of right now...
ANY suggestions would be great
since I know all of you great experienced pure int players are .. experienced! :D

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That guide was made before people knew about mana shield.
Get ice, end of discussion.


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Sacrament wrote:
That guide was made before people knew about mana shield.
Get ice, end of discussion.

what would be a updated guide then? :roll:

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Go look for one.

if i there was a good one then i wouldnt of posted this =="

i dun like hybrids

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Only get ice if you feel it is relevant. The best part of this game is its ability to allow for a custom character. You could follow someone guide, make a build that has bee replicated before and that dosnt suit your playing style. Or you could make your own build, spend a few months experimenting with new skillz, new balances etc

As for cold, IMO sacrifising all that damage at later lvls that fire provides for some extra defense isnt the purpose of a nuker. The purpose of a nuker is to do damage asap. Not to sacrifice alot of damage and useful buffs just for some extra defense for 60 seconds.

Also this should be in character and skillz, not general discussion.


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Only get ice if you feel it is relevant. The best part of this game is its ability to allow for a custom character. You could follow someone guide, make a build that has bee replicated before and that dosnt suit your playing style. Or you could make your own build, spend a few months experimenting with new skillz, new balances etc

As for cold, IMO sacrifising all that damage at later lvls that fire provides for some extra defense isnt the purpose of a nuker. The purpose of a nuker is to do damage asap. Not to sacrifice alot of damage and useful buffs just for some extra defense for 60 seconds.

Also this should be in character and skillz, not general discussion.
Whoever said you had to use ice nukes and imbue.


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lets imagine the 90 cap here. Many builds will go 90 light 90 cold 90 <insert weapon tree> and 30 fire. Dy doing so sacrifices the magical defense that the fire protection series provides. It also sacrifices fire shield, good luck having no immunity. It also sacrifices fire wall, which is arguably one of the best defensive skilz. Also with immunity light imbue sucks ass, and the difference in the imbues are alot on a full intl player <<minor on a str player>>

Also the phy attack buff, wilst not being too relevant for a full intl is still sacrificing alot of damage.

You may not be using the ice nukes or the ice imbue, but you will notice alot of damage difference.


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It also sacrifices fire wall, which is arguably one of the best defensive skilz.
Lol. Im pretty sure ive proven my point.


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tedtwilliger wrote:
lets imagine the 90 cap here. Many builds will go 90 light 90 cold 90 <insert weapon tree> and 30 fire. Dy doing so sacrifices the magical defense that the fire protection series provides. It also sacrifices fire shield, good luck having no immunity. It also sacrifices fire wall, which is arguably one of the best defensive skilz. Also with immunity light imbue sucks ass, and the difference in the imbues are alot on a full intl player <<minor on a str player>>

Also the phy attack buff, wilst not being too relevant for a full intl is still sacrificing alot of damage.

You may not be using the ice nukes or the ice imbue, but you will notice alot of damage difference.


so your saying nukers are like dmg dealers ( i know that.. but..) but should die just in 1 shot? that we cant pvp without a resser?

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Aura wrote:
tedtwilliger wrote:
lets imagine the 90 cap here. Many builds will go 90 light 90 cold 90 <insert weapon tree> and 30 fire. Dy doing so sacrifices the magical defense that the fire protection series provides. It also sacrifices fire shield, good luck having no immunity. It also sacrifices fire wall, which is arguably one of the best defensive skilz. Also with immunity light imbue sucks ass, and the difference in the imbues are alot on a full intl player <<minor on a str player>>

Also the phy attack buff, wilst not being too relevant for a full intl is still sacrificing alot of damage.

You may not be using the ice nukes or the ice imbue, but you will notice alot of damage difference.


so your saying nukers are like dmg dealers ( i know that.. but..) but should die just in 1 shot? that we cant pvp without a resser?
Exactly what hes saying. And light imbue owns <3 so do the nukes.


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A full intl can pvp quite well. You just have to know how to pvp. If you stand there trying to nuke your opponent to death your going to get owned.

But by using phantom, kd and stab, nukes, etc effectively you can still win straight up 1v1 pvp.

Also you will notice you excel at group pvp. When you have cleric buffs and a full party you will realize where your potential is.

Though if you like 1v1 pvp so much to make your entire build around it, then go ahead. Frankly i dont give a shit.


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Sacrament wrote:
Aura wrote:
tedtwilliger wrote:
lets imagine the 90 cap here. Many builds will go 90 light 90 cold 90 <insert weapon tree> and 30 fire. Dy doing so sacrifices the magical defense that the fire protection series provides. It also sacrifices fire shield, good luck having no immunity. It also sacrifices fire wall, which is arguably one of the best defensive skilz. Also with immunity light imbue sucks ass, and the difference in the imbues are alot on a full intl player <<minor on a str player>>

Also the phy attack buff, wilst not being too relevant for a full intl is still sacrificing alot of damage.

You may not be using the ice nukes or the ice imbue, but you will notice alot of damage difference.


so your saying nukers are like dmg dealers ( i know that.. but..) but should die just in 1 shot? that we cant pvp without a resser?
Exactly what hes saying. And light imbue owns <3 so do the nukes.


Please dont imply what i am saying. Make sure you know what i am saying before you make such wild accusations. Have a nice day.


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Sacrament wrote:
Aura wrote:
tedtwilliger wrote:
lets imagine the 90 cap here. Many builds will go 90 light 90 cold 90 <insert weapon tree> and 30 fire. Dy doing so sacrifices the magical defense that the fire protection series provides. It also sacrifices fire shield, good luck having no immunity. It also sacrifices fire wall, which is arguably one of the best defensive skilz. Also with immunity light imbue sucks ass, and the difference in the imbues are alot on a full intl player <<minor on a str player>>

Also the phy attack buff, wilst not being too relevant for a full intl is still sacrificing alot of damage.

You may not be using the ice nukes or the ice imbue, but you will notice alot of damage difference.


so your saying nukers are like dmg dealers ( i know that.. but..) but should die just in 1 shot? that we cant pvp without a resser?
Exactly what hes saying. And light imbue owns <3 so do the nukes.


but you cant do dmg if you die in one blow :cry:


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tedtwilliger wrote:
lets imagine the 90 cap here. Many builds will go 90 light 90 cold 90 <insert weapon tree> and 30 fire. Dy doing so sacrifices the magical defense that the fire protection series provides. It also sacrifices fire shield, good luck having no immunity. It also sacrifices fire wall, which is arguably one of the best defensive skilz. Also with immunity light imbue sucks ass, and the difference in the imbues are alot on a full intl player <<minor on a str player>>

Also the phy attack buff, wilst not being too relevant for a full intl is still sacrificing alot of damage.

You may not be using the ice nukes or the ice imbue, but you will notice alot of damage difference.


so your saying nukers are like dmg dealers ( i know that.. but..) but should die just in 1 shot? that we cant pvp without a resser?
Exactly what hes saying. And light imbue owns <3 so do the nukes.


Please dont imply what i am saying. Make sure you know what i am saying before you make such wild accusations. Have a nice day.

so... what did u meant?

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tedtwilliger wrote:
Sacrament wrote:
Aura wrote:
tedtwilliger wrote:
lets imagine the 90 cap here. Many builds will go 90 light 90 cold 90 <insert weapon tree> and 30 fire. Dy doing so sacrifices the magical defense that the fire protection series provides. It also sacrifices fire shield, good luck having no immunity. It also sacrifices fire wall, which is arguably one of the best defensive skilz. Also with immunity light imbue sucks ass, and the difference in the imbues are alot on a full intl player <<minor on a str player>>

Also the phy attack buff, wilst not being too relevant for a full intl is still sacrificing alot of damage.

You may not be using the ice nukes or the ice imbue, but you will notice alot of damage difference.

so your saying nukers are like dmg dealers ( i know that.. but..) but should die just in 1 shot? that we cant pvp without a resser?
Exactly what hes saying. And light imbue owns <3 so do the nukes.


Please dont imply what i am saying. Make sure you know what i am saying before you make such wild accusations. Have a nice day.
Oh i know what you're saying perfectly. You DO NOT choose offense over defense. Think before you post.
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Though if you like 1v1 pvp so much to make your entire build around it, then go ahead. Frankly i dont give a shit.
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tedtwilliger wrote:
Sacrament wrote:
Aura wrote:
tedtwilliger wrote:
lets imagine the 90 cap here. Many builds will go 90 light 90 cold 90 <insert weapon tree> and 30 fire. Dy doing so sacrifices the magical defense that the fire protection series provides. It also sacrifices fire shield, good luck having no immunity. It also sacrifices fire wall, which is arguably one of the best defensive skilz. Also with immunity light imbue sucks ass, and the difference in the imbues are alot on a full intl player <<minor on a str player>>

Also the phy attack buff, wilst not being too relevant for a full intl is still sacrificing alot of damage.

You may not be using the ice nukes or the ice imbue, but you will notice alot of damage difference.


so your saying nukers are like dmg dealers ( i know that.. but..) but should die just in 1 shot? that we cant pvp without a resser?
Exactly what hes saying. And light imbue owns <3 so do the nukes.


Please dont imply what i am saying. Make sure you know what i am saying before you make such wild accusations. Have a nice day.


so what did u meant?

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You DO NOT choose offense over defense. Think before you post..



LOLLLLL

That is possibly the most ironic thing i have EVER heard in my life. If you dont choose offense over defense, why is he building a pure intl build.? He is choosing a pure intl build so he CAN deal damage at the sacrifice of his defence. So why would you hinder that by choosing ice.? It defeats the purpose of the build.

And at aura, i was simply saying ice shield is not needed for 1v1 pvp. Sure it may help, but in my opinion it isnt needed.

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tedtwilliger wrote:
Sacrament wrote:
You DO NOT choose offense over defense. Think before you post..



LOLLLLL

That is possibly the most ironic thing i have EVER heard in my life. If you dont choose offense over defense, why is he building a pure intl build.? He is choosing a pure intl build so he CAN deal damage at the sacrifice of his defence. So why would you hinder that by choosing ice.? It defeats the purpose of the build.

And at aura, i was simply saying ice shield is not needed for 1v1 pvp. Sure it may help, but in my opinion it isnt needed.

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What? Thats like saying since im a nuker and i should only hit very strong ill just save myself some gold and only buy weapons and no clothes. What i was saying was that defense for a nuker is more important than its offense, because no matter what, youll still hit high, but you will not die. God...


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Sacrament wrote:
tedtwilliger wrote:
Sacrament wrote:
You DO NOT choose offense over defense. Think before you post..



LOLLLLL

That is possibly the most ironic thing i have EVER heard in my life. If you dont choose offense over defense, why is he building a pure intl build.? He is choosing a pure intl build so he CAN deal damage at the sacrifice of his defence. So why would you hinder that by choosing ice.? It defeats the purpose of the build.

And at aura, i was simply saying ice shield is not needed for 1v1 pvp. Sure it may help, but in my opinion it isnt needed.

*isnt replying back in the thread, going out*
What? Thats like saying since im a nuker and i should only hit very strong ill just save myself some gold and only buy weapons and no clothes. What i was saying was that defense for a nuker is more important than its offense, because no matter what, youll still hit high, but you will not die. God...


but with ice i need to farm so much more sp :cry:
anyways... pure int s/s ... will the shield be enough??
or sometimes i heard from guides i choose no weapon tree just cold/fire/lit

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Aura wrote:
Sacrament wrote:
tedtwilliger wrote:
Sacrament wrote:
You DO NOT choose offense over defense. Think before you post..



LOLLLLL

That is possibly the most ironic thing i have EVER heard in my life. If you dont choose offense over defense, why is he building a pure intl build.? He is choosing a pure intl build so he CAN deal damage at the sacrifice of his defence. So why would you hinder that by choosing ice.? It defeats the purpose of the build.

And at aura, i was simply saying ice shield is not needed for 1v1 pvp. Sure it may help, but in my opinion it isnt needed.

*isnt replying back in the thread, going out*
What? Thats like saying since im a nuker and i should only hit very strong ill just save myself some gold and only buy weapons and no clothes. What i was saying was that defense for a nuker is more important than its offense, because no matter what, youll still hit high, but you will not die. God...


but with ice i need to farm so much more sp :cry:
anyways... pure int s/s ... will the shield be enough??
or sometimes i heard from guides i choose no weapon tree just cold/fire/lit
Oh my god. Whoever told you not to get a weapon tree is an idiot. S/s Pure ints are good but hybrid ints imo are better but that is your personal choice. You can make your masteries any way you want, imo 80 fire/bicheon and 70 light/ice.


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Fly did a basic write up for the new skills. http://silkroadaddiction.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2

Its not that detailed, just the basic mastery levels.

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Sacrament wrote:
Aura wrote:
Sacrament wrote:
tedtwilliger wrote:
Sacrament wrote:
You DO NOT choose offense over defense. Think before you post..



LOLLLLL

That is possibly the most ironic thing i have EVER heard in my life. If you dont choose offense over defense, why is he building a pure intl build.? He is choosing a pure intl build so he CAN deal damage at the sacrifice of his defence. So why would you hinder that by choosing ice.? It defeats the purpose of the build.

And at aura, i was simply saying ice shield is not needed for 1v1 pvp. Sure it may help, but in my opinion it isnt needed.

*isnt replying back in the thread, going out*
What? Thats like saying since im a nuker and i should only hit very strong ill just save myself some gold and only buy weapons and no clothes. What i was saying was that defense for a nuker is more important than its offense, because no matter what, youll still hit high, but you will not die. God...


but with ice i need to farm so much more sp :cry:
anyways... pure int s/s ... will the shield be enough??
or sometimes i heard from guides i choose no weapon tree just cold/fire/lit
Oh my god. Whoever told you not to get a weapon tree is an idiot. S/s Pure ints are good but hybrid ints imo are better but that is your personal choice. You can make your masteries any way you want, imo 80 fire/bicheon and 70 light/ice.


hybrid as in 2:1?

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Aura wrote:
Sacrament wrote:
Aura wrote:
Sacrament wrote:
tedtwilliger wrote:
Sacrament wrote:
You DO NOT choose offense over defense. Think before you post..



LOLLLLL

That is possibly the most ironic thing i have EVER heard in my life. If you dont choose offense over defense, why is he building a pure intl build.? He is choosing a pure intl build so he CAN deal damage at the sacrifice of his defence. So why would you hinder that by choosing ice.? It defeats the purpose of the build.

And at aura, i was simply saying ice shield is not needed for 1v1 pvp. Sure it may help, but in my opinion it isnt needed.

*isnt replying back in the thread, going out*
What? Thats like saying since im a nuker and i should only hit very strong ill just save myself some gold and only buy weapons and no clothes. What i was saying was that defense for a nuker is more important than its offense, because no matter what, youll still hit high, but you will not die. God...


but with ice i need to farm so much more sp :cry:
anyways... pure int s/s ... will the shield be enough??
or sometimes i heard from guides i choose no weapon tree just cold/fire/lit
Oh my god. Whoever told you not to get a weapon tree is an idiot. S/s Pure ints are good but hybrid ints imo are better but that is your personal choice. You can make your masteries any way you want, imo 80 fire/bicheon and 70 light/ice.


hybrid as in 2:1?
My advice is not to do those 2:1 builds especially for a s/s user. Think of your own unique build. : ) For example add str at different levels. You cant mess up with a hybrid int unless you are the biggest noob in the world. There is always a way to make it stronger than it is. Play around with the stat points, just make sure not to add too much str : ) goodluck.


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Sacrament wrote:
Aura wrote:
Sacrament wrote:
Aura wrote:
Sacrament wrote:
tedtwilliger wrote:
Sacrament wrote:
You DO NOT choose offense over defense. Think before you post..



LOLLLLL

That is possibly the most ironic thing i have EVER heard in my life. If you dont choose offense over defense, why is he building a pure intl build.? He is choosing a pure intl build so he CAN deal damage at the sacrifice of his defence. So why would you hinder that by choosing ice.? It defeats the purpose of the build.

And at aura, i was simply saying ice shield is not needed for 1v1 pvp. Sure it may help, but in my opinion it isnt needed.

*isnt replying back in the thread, going out*
What? Thats like saying since im a nuker and i should only hit very strong ill just save myself some gold and only buy weapons and no clothes. What i was saying was that defense for a nuker is more important than its offense, because no matter what, youll still hit high, but you will not die. God...


but with ice i need to farm so much more sp :cry:
anyways... pure int s/s ... will the shield be enough??
or sometimes i heard from guides i choose no weapon tree just cold/fire/lit
Oh my god. Whoever told you not to get a weapon tree is an idiot. S/s Pure ints are good but hybrid ints imo are better but that is your personal choice. You can make your masteries any way you want, imo 80 fire/bicheon and 70 light/ice.


hybrid as in 2:1?
My advice is not to do those 2:1 builds especially for a s/s user. Think of your own unique build. : ) For example add str at different levels. You cant mess up with a hybrid int unless you are the biggest noob in the world. There is always a way to make it stronger than it is. Play around with the stat points, just make sure not to add too much str : ) goodluck.


okay
thx :roll:

so you would say cold good? :wink:

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Aura wrote:
Sacrament wrote:
Aura wrote:
Sacrament wrote:
Aura wrote:
Sacrament wrote:
tedtwilliger wrote:
Sacrament wrote:
You DO NOT choose offense over defense. Think before you post..



LOLLLLL

That is possibly the most ironic thing i have EVER heard in my life. If you dont choose offense over defense, why is he building a pure intl build.? He is choosing a pure intl build so he CAN deal damage at the sacrifice of his defence. So why would you hinder that by choosing ice.? It defeats the purpose of the build.

And at aura, i was simply saying ice shield is not needed for 1v1 pvp. Sure it may help, but in my opinion it isnt needed.

*isnt replying back in the thread, going out*
What? Thats like saying since im a nuker and i should only hit very strong ill just save myself some gold and only buy weapons and no clothes. What i was saying was that defense for a nuker is more important than its offense, because no matter what, youll still hit high, but you will not die. God...


but with ice i need to farm so much more sp :cry:
anyways... pure int s/s ... will the shield be enough??
or sometimes i heard from guides i choose no weapon tree just cold/fire/lit
Oh my god. Whoever told you not to get a weapon tree is an idiot. S/s Pure ints are good but hybrid ints imo are better but that is your personal choice. You can make your masteries any way you want, imo 80 fire/bicheon and 70 light/ice.


hybrid as in 2:1?
My advice is not to do those 2:1 builds especially for a s/s user. Think of your own unique build. : ) For example add str at different levels. You cant mess up with a hybrid int unless you are the biggest noob in the world. There is always a way to make it stronger than it is. Play around with the stat points, just make sure not to add too much str : ) goodluck.


okay
thx :roll:

so you would say cold good? :wink:
Yes the most important kills to get are Frost guard series Snow shield Series and ofcourse Cold armor series : ) have fun ^.^


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Sacrament wrote:
Aura wrote:
Sacrament wrote:
Aura wrote:
Sacrament wrote:
Aura wrote:
Sacrament wrote:
tedtwilliger wrote:
Sacrament wrote:
You DO NOT choose offense over defense. Think before you post..



LOLLLLL

That is possibly the most ironic thing i have EVER heard in my life. If you dont choose offense over defense, why is he building a pure intl build.? He is choosing a pure intl build so he CAN deal damage at the sacrifice of his defence. So why would you hinder that by choosing ice.? It defeats the purpose of the build.

And at aura, i was simply saying ice shield is not needed for 1v1 pvp. Sure it may help, but in my opinion it isnt needed.

*isnt replying back in the thread, going out*
What? Thats like saying since im a nuker and i should only hit very strong ill just save myself some gold and only buy weapons and no clothes. What i was saying was that defense for a nuker is more important than its offense, because no matter what, youll still hit high, but you will not die. God...


but with ice i need to farm so much more sp :cry:
anyways... pure int s/s ... will the shield be enough??
or sometimes i heard from guides i choose no weapon tree just cold/fire/lit
Oh my god. Whoever told you not to get a weapon tree is an idiot. S/s Pure ints are good but hybrid ints imo are better but that is your personal choice. You can make your masteries any way you want, imo 80 fire/bicheon and 70 light/ice.


hybrid as in 2:1?
My advice is not to do those 2:1 builds especially for a s/s user. Think of your own unique build. : ) For example add str at different levels. You cant mess up with a hybrid int unless you are the biggest noob in the world. There is always a way to make it stronger than it is. Play around with the stat points, just make sure not to add too much str : ) goodluck.


okay
thx :roll:

so you would say cold good? :wink:
Yes the most important kills to get are Frost guard series Snow shield Series and ofcourse Cold armor series : ) have fun ^.^


i see.. dam that means i need to farm more sp :P

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