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Well, i cant tell you exact numbers, cuz i am right now only working on it, to be able to show everybody with proof, how it is, and not how somebody's guess is.
What i can tell you is, that the damage of a int character is not lower while he have a critical, if you compare it to a pure str character while he have a critical with the same skill, but the damage of the pure str character is more physical of course, thats all. I mean, i guess you never looked at a hybrid on your lvl while he make the same skill and a crit, but you always heard that the crit of hybrids is lower... I have knowledge about that it is not lower cuz of my blader... And if i am able to make that formulas and that scripts, then i will make a thread about that. Cuz I'm really pissed of from such crap like: "lower crit if you go hybrid" or for bladers who ant to go hybrid: "they are made for tank" I could puke if i read such noobposts. There i can only add, that "tanking" don't work! No one attack a blader, while there are nukers behind him...

Whatever, welcome to the new version of SRO where the skills changed, and hybrids own cuz of the alchemy. Thank you for listening, now you can start to sleep again, till the next update.


greetz, Payne

dark, no it isnt the more str you have the more powerful your crits, its more str you have the bigger increase in crit damage, but you get more hp, and ur 70:70 archer is at L35 (bullshit level), wait til ur L78 farmed, the KB combo and stun helps a hella lot, and hybrid can also use manashield so where does your no defence come from?, 70:70 bow has a gud balance between phy and mag defence (hence 70:70 balance). People say pure str is the best bow build cz of the crit increase.

Not another nonsense post !
How come that i was able to kill ALL str Based bow build with my 42 (9gap + simple gear) 70:70 bow ?
Dont tell me i cheated >.<.
LvL 35 pff how can you say this build sux with LVL 35 ?
Annoying... no comments at all.
Peace...

So your agreeing, your saying that Critical DO INCREASE Critical Damage, which THEY DO. Goto the damage contest and compare a PURE STR Level 80 Fully Farmed to a PURE INT Level 80 Fully Farmed and you will see the difference.

@Jadekiss Wow I would LOVE to see a video on that ownage to pure str's >.>

Im building this 70:70 bow *curently sp farming 102843sp so far

But i have a question would it be better to go fire and ice and pacheon lvl 90
because the only reason your getting lighting is for speed. I figured Ice and fire for good defense +good damage as fire imbune but you might as well get both imbunes just incase.

Maybe: Pacheon 90 Fire 90 and Ice 90 and if you want go with 30 lighting till
lvl 100 gap comes out.

Can you please reply on this im confused

Here you go http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=0PnCT7-5OAI
I cant make a vid on my own i get some terrible error when i use Fraps + Vista
And im not argueing with you anymore on that lvl... its doesnt make sense
So peace

Jacov its your choice.. light gives you also mag attack power through the buffs
But ice give you higher defense !... so decide

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Can't you fkn read lol?
he's saying that you get the biggest INCREASE, 70:70 is doing way higher damage then a pure str would never do.
70:70 and pure str crits are AROUND the same, maybe they are slight different
Example: (number are incorrect)
70:70 hits 4000 non crit
pure str hits 3000 non crit

both will have a crit of around 6000. 70:70 has got a critical increase of 2000, pure str got a critical increase of 3000
so. pure str get's more critical increase, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN HE CAN HIT HIGHER

*cough* noob *cough* (BTW im 47 full farmed, and im doing well in pvp, im not saying that im pwnage, im doing WELL and it will only get better at high level)

Im building this 70:70 bow *curently sp farming 102843sp so far Smile

But i have a question would it be better to go fire and ice and pacheon lvl 90
because the only reason your getting lighting is for speed. I figured Ice and fire for good defense +good damage as fire imbune but you might as well get both imbunes just incase.

Maybe: Pacheon 90 Fire 90 and Ice 90 and if you want go with 30 lighting till
lvl 100 gap comes out.

Can you please reply on this im confused Crying or Very sad

this build is relying on good mag damage aswell. Ligtning and pacheon are your main three's

1+ lol i wasnt supposed to tell him in the way like you did but you have fully understand this build Doc =D

U guyz dont have to quarrel that much for my understanding and wat i had seen so long for pure str and a hybrid...is easy as that...hybrid does higher average damage without cri and pure str does higher cri damage....as simple as that...u can just compare hybrid or non hybrid bow easily with a pure str glavie and a hybrid spear....u can see that glavie does higher cri damage while hybrid does higher average damage...no need for argument.....no build is perfect....in sro...who have the gears then who owns....if same gears on both opponents....50:50 chances to win.... and of course....most cri in a row wins

Thanks Night Crystal for trying to smooth things over.

The problem is no one on this forum has actually documented a critical comparison between an str character and a int character. I fear that the reason Pure str characters think there crits are so high is because they see there damage go up so dramatically. A int hybrid doesn't have the huge increase, but with there added imbue damage, is it equal?

It hasn't been proven one way or the other on a high level character so people will argue and argue.

We just don't know how joymax calculates critical and no one has done an accurate test in game.

is like pure str average damage is 3k...it's critical will be 6-7k.....hybrid average damage is 4 k....cri 5-6 k.....if u guyz r arguing that hybrid actually does higher cri...i am sure that even it does a cri....it's max damage will equal or less then a pure str cri.....and pure str has an advantage on the amount of hp....but anyway....who does more cri who wins...i am a hybrid s/s...as i am pvping quite alot...i am nvr kill my a bowman without thier cri....hybrid or purestr...watever....therefore....cri is important

If pure str averge damage is 3k his crit will be lower than 6k, so that is not good example. As it was stated previously, without knowing the real damage formulas or making a direct comparison between a pure str and an hybrid with similar blues and weapon that remains as a question without answer.

I want to represent the hybrid to make the tests, now I need a full farmed lvl80 pure str with good blues and 72+5 bow to compare me against him.

i have seen alot....and seen enough...if is the damage isnt 6-7 k...wat's the damage pls? the damage is done my a pure str is approximately twice the damage or more...if it is lower as wat u say....it is just slightly lower a little

well, eh as an example bakafish said his critical increase was around 80% (lv 80 full str bower)

he's doing damned nice damage as pure str, so i quess thats ur answer

There are 2 different discussions going on.

1. what is the damage difference between a normal shot and a critical for pure str, and hybrid.

2. Which does more overall damage on a critical, pure str or hybrid.

The first question is easier to answer but hasn't been. The 2nd question is a bit trickier.

What effects criticals?
weapon stats.
overall number of str and int points
skill used
buffs used (especially the fire buff and passive)
imbue used.

Question 1. can be answered by using 2 characters that are different levels, with different skills. As long as blues on gear and fire buffs are taken into consideration.

The 2nd question requires a lot more similarities in build. :X

Hey guys ..
I see the disscussion alive again .. mmmm
About the crits ... well ..

Crit is 2X the phy damge ...
say a pure str hit his strong bow with 8 k damge on monster (7k from phy , 1k from imbue ) ... when he crit he will 2X phy and no bonus in mag ... so he will do (7*2) + 1 = 11k

Now say hybrid will hit with his strong bow on the same monster .. say he do 9 k damge .. his crit depends on what phy and mag damge he do .. if he do 6k from phy and 3k from mag he will do (6*2) + 3 = 15 k damge .. and if he do 5k from phy and 4k from mag he will do (5*2) + 4 = 14 k damge .. etc ..

The problem now is that people def have big difference .. say you fight a ppl have so great phy def ... you phy damge om him will decreased against mag damge .. so when pure str will crit on him he will not get perfect crit ... and when hybrid crit hw will have better chance from the imbue ... and when you meet great mag def character pure str will crit better .. and til now we haven't numbers ..

So I looked at the vedio of kaws again and start to bring the numbers ... his balance is 79% phy : 85% mag
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=0PnCT7-5OAI

Kaws VS spear Nuker In Armor :
The battle was :
- last book strong bow --> 4679 **
- 2nd book strong bow --> 3772
- last book Anti-devil --> 4324 crit
- last book strong bow --> 5478 crit **
- 2nd book strong bow --> 3875
- last book Anti-devil --> 3735 crit

So he did 4679 normal damge and 5478 crit with the same skill !!
the damge increase is only 17% .. that's too bad .. right ?!

Now let's watch it against Glavier in garment :
- last book strong bow --> 11045 crit **
- 2nd book strong bow --> 6286 *
- last book Anti-devil --> 5528
- last book strong bow --> 7823 **
- 2nd book strong bow --> 7149 *
- last book Anti-devil --> canceld because of he get stunned
- last book strong bow --> 7806 **
- 2nd book strong bow --> 10429 crit *

When we look at last book strong bow ( the same skill we comapred with the nuker battle ) you see great increase 7823 >> 11045 that means 41% increase in crit ...
And snd book strong bow .. 6286 >> 10429 with 66% increase OR 7149 >> 10429 with 46% increase

there is a small problem her with attack rating .. it's true that bow have best attack rating but there is still a chance to get an attack with low attack rating .. it happens so I will consider it as 46% increase in crit ..

From that we can know that when you fight high phy def ppl (wear armor) your crit will sux .. but when you fight low phy def ppl (wear garment) your crit will be a lot better ..

Now we wanna compare this % increase of a hybrid against pure str build ... ok .. we have a lot of vedio , I hope that someone look at a vedio fpr pure str bower and give us the numbers

and good luck[/b]

i liked the idea for this build but dont think its one of the strongest ones out there, althought its probally the best HYBRID build ive seen

Ah I forget something ...

We said that Hybrid get 17% damge increase against armor ,, 41% against garment , i forget to say look at glavie signature and see his topic about imbues : http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=48121 look at the tables and you see the ave. damge increase from crit monsters ...

look , that's too intersting :

- 1:1 hybrid get 68~69% damge increase from crit ..
- 86:71 hybrid get 67~70 damge increase from crit ..
Both have more STR

- 75:80 hybrid get 73% damge increase from crit ..
- 82:86 hybrid get 72~74% damge increase from crit ..
Both have more INT

And pure INT get 77~80 damge increase from crit !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can I say that damge increase from crit in PVE :
Pure INT > hybrid INT > Hybrid STR > Pure STR ?!!!!!!!

INT Builds have more damge already but that's crazy to have more increase in crits too ..

Im 1:1 and my increase on damage its 40-41% and it was always like that. I will show it with actual numbers:


Highest regular shot:




Highest crit:



So we have:

Phys Dmg= 14458-10274 = 4184
Mag Dmg= 10274-4184 = 6090
Crit Increase on %= (4184/10274)*100=40,7%

(remember that this values and % are only valid for bow, heuskal have higher increase on physical damage so it will depart from this relation)

The only way to make the test for bow is doing like this, hitting a lot of mobs until you are sure that you got the highest regular damage and the highest crit. I dont think is good idea doing this test with people during pvp basicaly because you dont hit enough to have a good stadistic, but that i agree with elnawawi is that the increase due to a crit against people on armor is much lower than the increase against people on garment (thats way I prefer 2 strong bow book to last antidevil if my oponent is in armor).

PS: pure str comparison are welcomed =).

I am working at the moment on a formula to calculate the damage. I have at the moment a formula that seems to work nice. I guess its not to 100% correct, but i want to test that with more different characters.
It would be nice if you would post some of your stats.

Edit: Moved to a own thread:
http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic ... 506#763506


greetz, Payne

phy_base_dmg -> 1702 - 2045
phy_balance -> 77%
phy_skill_dmg -> 307 - 415 (350%) [strong bow vision lvl9]
mag_base_dmg -> 1713 - 2059
mag_balance -> 83%
mag_skill_dmg -> 328 - 547 [soul fire force lvl2]
mag_mastery -> lvl 68 [imbue maxed]

hope i did it correct

I calculated it, look at that thread:
http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic ... 506#763506

mmm .. good numbers ... You tested it on lvl 79 monsters and find 40% increase ... I bet that you will find about 70~75 % increase if you did it against low lvl monsters .. go to lvl 1 monsters and see what will happen .. .. the same idea of armor and garment ..
And yes 2 strong bow against armor is good idea but still work well against garment too .. but what about berzeker arrow ?! I didn't see ppl use it in pvp at high lvls although it have 350% as strong bow !! I think that it's better to use instead of the 2nd book of strong bow .. right ?




Hi man .. I didn't know that there is a 70:70 bow ever in my server " Hercules" .. are you in it and I didn't know yet ?!!

If that plz tell me your character name there and let me watching you in PVP against ppl I know their real power .. you know I love 70:70 bow but rarly find people with that build ..

yep i'm 70:70 bow on hercules, lvl73. ingame is same as here

Nope,

Against Mangyang I can hit 78-79k normal hit and 112k on crit so its 40-41% again, thats why on my post Ive said always (at least against mobs) ^^.

About Devil Arrow I always use it on pvp, but you need to use at least 4 different skills to no have problem with cooldown of the skills. In my case 2 of those skills are always last strong bow and devil arrow and then I use arrow combo, second strong bow and antidevil according the situation.

Sorry im a noob can you pick which one is best for 70:70 bowman for PVP.
1.Pacheon lvl 90 Fire lvl 80 Lightnign lvl 70 and ice lvl 60
2.Pacheon lvl 90 Ice lvl 90 Fire lvl 90 Lightning lvl 30
3.Pacheon lvl 90 Fire lvl 90 Lightning lvl 60 Ice lvl 60
4.Pacheon lvl 90 Fire lvl 90 Lightning lvl 90
and so on....

I just finished sp farming and im ready to start but im still realy confused.

mmm .. so why there is 70% increase in your attack at glavie topic ?! may be I didn't understand what are these numbers there ..

And , can you show us some PVP against other builds ?! we have few vedio to see hybrid bow build acting ..

I suggest for 70:70 balance (80:85 later)
90 pacheon , 90 light , 60 cold , 60 fire .. or may be 61 fire, 89 light ..

May tomiotar disagree with me as he prefer : fire 90 , pacheon 90 , cold 65 , light 55 .. but he is 1:1 means he have more phy and less mag ..

And anyway every ppl have his own style and know what to do with his character ..
may be some one wanna do : 90 pacheon , 90 fire , 90 light , 30 cold !! he will do great damge but with no phy def .. he is weak against STR builds ..
And other one wanna do 90 pacheon , 90 light , 90 cold , 30 fire !! and every INT build will own him ..

every one has his mind and he prefer doing something other people don't like .. that's not a holy balance or skills .. even pure INT bow works and some people love it